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Originally Posted by bartman
"if it were truly a void, there would even be an absence of the concept of a void. The mere thought of a void is the presence of something. Therefore, it isn't a void"
But not in our universe/our thoughts/our concept of spacetime etc. ,
our concept of a void means exactly that- a void. We created that word to describe an area of nothing (which could include time - i guess in this context).
So if it was truely a void( as you stated) we wouldn't have a word or description of it so I agree with you there, but if we cant have a word or concept of a void then wouldn't the concept of the pre BB or 'beyond' the boundry of our universe be null and void? (pardon the pun)
"There was never an absence of anything. The presence of a trigger for the BB, even if it was a random fluctuation of an abstract mathematical entity/quantum field, means there is something there."
I agree with you 100% ....so there are no "Voids" out there...sorry Alex
Bartman
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Bart you dont have to say sorry to me
...I am not God
...not that you know anyways
You point to a necessity to review the terminology used to descibe the most less dense regions we observe
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We know it is not nothing but to say such takes on a fundamental rule ...we should not construct a sentence containing double negatives...given the complexity of the problem and thinking upon that difficulty I can only suggest we move past the double negative to select a tripple negative...now it has never been done but lets not let that stop out attempt... and so here goes....
A void which isnt really there is not there because there is nothing contained therein... now two negatives will cancell out (math and grammer unite and that is powerful arguement) so we are left with either of the negatives we seek to retain....are you with me so far... well I you are perhaps you can explain to me what I am talking about
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Still the question remains which I note no one has attempted to explain by way of offerring an answer we could all say must be wrong..and it is this... how did we end up with nothing
... you know I ask that question most Friday and Saterday nights
...and of course Wednesday nights if I dont win the pool comp... but what is clear to me is most times I did indeed start with something and knowing that to be a fact I can work back from a realisation I have nothing to the start where I indeed had something..so I start from where I had something and determine what events took place to result in the observation that now I have nothing...mmm thats not true the next morning because I certainly have something then... a pain in the head that makes a cat sound like it has tap shoes
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So when we look at the voids which are nothing but something because of the tripple negative theory we must still ask how did they become so...
AS I questioned earlier in an effort to engage specualtion and an openning to absolute understanding of not only the nothing we consider but in fact all nothings we can find in the Universe..even the nothing outside the Universe... so how did they get there..are they growing...mmm how could they grow as nothing is really like infinity in so far as multiplying it wont get a bigger number nor will dividing it get a lesser number... dam I did not want to introduce the difficulties of infinity math but well it crept in...
So I ask for a happy specualtion on how we end up with nothing..the voids that is...how did they get there and who put them there?
Cause it was not me...not that you know
alex
