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Old 25-09-2009, 05:31 PM
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Any level of radiation is bad I know because I have been exposed to high level of radiation, not good
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Old 25-09-2009, 06:05 PM
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Doesn't matter. I grew up next to one. I don't have 3 eyes and my name's not blinky. I also live within 20m of a high voltage power line. "Oooh! Watch out for those electro-magnetic fields". You're gonna wake up with two heads one morning People have to start realising that properly managed nuclear energy is the cleanest source of energy. Looks like it's going to take a couple of generations down under still
And people have to start realising that every once in a while there will always be an accident (not just any accident - a nuclear accident). Its mathamatics. If human history shows anything its that there are always mistakes and always accidents. Got to fight this kind of shortsighted reasoning
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Old 25-09-2009, 06:07 PM
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Maybe someone should modify our climate for the better by inventing a cloud eradication device.
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Old 25-09-2009, 06:17 PM
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Marc where I grew up we were not far from the Monte bello Islands. So far my sister has had leukaemia, my mother had cancer and I was sick with an unexplainable illness when I was a kid. Yes they have got better at building in safety features to nuclear power stations but would I want one within several thousands miles of where I live? Hell no
Sorry to hear about all that - sounds like you had a real bad deal there so I understand where you're coming from.

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And people have to start realising that every once in a while there will always be an accident (not just any accident - a nuclear accident). Its mathamatics. If human history shows anything its that there are always mistakes and always accidents. Got to fight this kind of shortsighted reasoning
Agreed - S**t happens believe it or not when people cut corners. That happens in any field. But I just think nuclear energy got a real bad wrap. I won't argue that there are major risks & dangers associated with it but to me it's a still the cleanest and most efficient source of energy. A gas plant or coal powered central or even a petrol refinery will spew way more c**p around or in the air.
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Old 25-09-2009, 06:19 PM
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Old 26-09-2009, 06:15 PM
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I won't argue that there are major risks & dangers associated with it but to me it's a still the cleanest and most efficient source of energy. A gas plant or coal powered central or even a petrol refinery will spew way more c**p around or in the air.
Hi Marc,

I personally think this argument is also incorrect. Measured in the short term nuclear would be less polluting then coal and gas etc. But when you measure in the long term (factoring in the inevitable accidents and the evil doers and the damage that just one accident does) nuclear would most likely in my opinion be more polluting. The more nuclear plants the greater the odds of something going wrong and potentially more devestating when it does go wrong and the half life of this stuff is how many thousands of years?
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Old 26-09-2009, 08:32 PM
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Biggest problem is what to do with the waste. There was some noise a while ago where the US was trying to set up a scheme (through the UN?) in which the country of origin had to take the waste back and store it. I don't know if they got their way but I think the safest place for the stuff is to leave it in the ground. There are other alternatives which are far cleaner.

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Old 15-12-2009, 03:25 AM
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4th generation nuclear power

"All nuclear plants in the United States today are Light Water Reactors (LWRs), using ordinary water (as opposed to ‘heavy water’) to slow the neutrons and cool the reactor. Uranium is the fuel in all of these power plants. One basic problem with this approach is that more than 99% of the uranium fuel ends up ‘unburned’ (not fissioned). In addition to ‘throwing away’ most of the potential energy, the long-lived nuclear wastes (plutonium, americium, curium, etc.) require geologic isolation in repositories such as Yucca Mountain.
There are two compelling alternatives to address these issues, both of which will be needed in the future. The first is to build reactors that keep the neutrons ‘fast’ during the fission reactions. These fast reactors can completely burn the uranium. Moreover, they can burn existing long-lived nuclear waste, producing a small volume of waste with half-life of only several decades, thus largely solving the nuclear waste problem. The other compelling alternative is to use thorium as the fuel in thermal reactors. Thorium can be used in ways that practically eliminate buildup of long-lived nuclear waste..."
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"Blees makes a powerful case for 4th generation nuclear power, the Integral Fast Reactor (IFR). IFR reactors (a.k.a. fast or breeder reactors) eliminate moderating materials used in thermal reactors, allowing the neutrons to move faster. More energetic splitting of nuclei releases more neutrons. Instead of using up less than 1% of the fissionable material in the ore, a fast reactor burns practically all of the uranium. Primary claimed advantages are:
a) The fuel is recycled on-site, incorporating radioactive elements into new fuel rods. The eventual ‘ashes’ are not usable as fuel or weapons. The radioactive half-life of the ashes is short, their radioactivity becoming less than that of naturally occurring ore within a few hundred years. The volume of this waste is relatively small and can be stored easily either on-site or off-site.
b) The IFR can burn the nuclear ‘waste’ of current thermal reactors. So we have a supply of fuel that is better than free – we have been struggling with what to do with that ‘waste’ for years. We have enough fuel for IFR reactors to last several centuries without further uranium mining. So the argument that nuclear power uses a lot of fossil fuels during uranium mining becomes moot.
c) IFR design can be practically failsafe, relying on physical properties of reactor components to shut down in even the most adverse situations, thus avoiding coolant problems of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, as well as the earthquake problem. The terrorist threat can be minimized by building the reactor below ground and covering it with reinforced concrete and earth..."
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Old 15-12-2009, 03:41 AM
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Underground coal gasification

Underground coal gasification
"UCG has advantages, both clean and simply economical, that extend beyond just the ultimate production of a cleaner form of diesel fuel. For starters, let's just say firstly that as the process of gasification occurs within the underground coal mine itself, the carbon dioxide by-product can be contained within the coal mine before being dealt with. Your common or garden power station simply releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere as coal is burned, meaning before you get to the geosequestration part, you have to actually convert power stations so they can first capture the CO2. Another cost.
Secondly, the gasification of coal does not require for the coal to first be "mined". The coal simply sits where it is - underground - and then the UCG process turns it into gas. The energy input to achieve this is thus far less than the energy input required to extract coal and send it off to a power station..."

"During the 1980s when South Africa was under the rule of an apartheid regime, oil imports were subject to international sanction. In order to overcome a lack of fuel, one company, Sasol Ltd, took advantage of the country's vast coal reserves and revisited the earlier German technology.
It was a long road, but for the last seven years [before 2006] aircraft flying out of Johannesburg International Airport have used a blend of jet fuel containing 50% converted coal. After decades refining the technology, and in a new oil price regime where US$70/bbl is beginning to feel like the norm [that was prescient], Sasol is making windfall profits. It hopes to win approval for a 100% synthetic jet fuel this year [it did so in 2008]."
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And people have to start realising that every once in a while there will always be an accident (not just any accident - a nuclear accident). Its mathamatics. If human history shows anything its that there are always mistakes and always accidents. Got to fight this kind of shortsighted reasoning
I take it you don't:

Get out of bed,
Cross the road,
Pull your socks on,
Drive a car,
Talk to strangers,
fly!!!!!!

Oh what a sheltered world we live in
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