Near Death Experience

[astroron (Ron)]

"I'm looking forward to finding out the answers"
But not for a long time I hope JJJ

[leon]

No I disagree, When your dead you are dead, unfortunately we don't spend much time on this Planet, maybe for some a 100 years if that, but unfortunately that is it.

I don't believe that we return as another being and the like, and I happen to be a Catholic.

Leon

[jjjnettie (Jeanette)]

It makes me happy to believe otherwise Leon.
Ron, I hope so too. I'm grateful for every day.

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Originally Posted by leon

No I disagree, When your dead you are dead, unfortunately we don't spend much time on this Planet, maybe for some a 100 years if that, but unfortunately that is it.

I don't believe that we return as another being and the like, and I happen to be a Catholic.

Leon

Well, I ain't a Catholic (baptised as one but I'm pagan now and have been for a good number of years I might add), but I do agree with you Leon - it's simply a chemical reaction and when you're dead, you're dead. But then again, I also believe love is but a chemical reaction too.

Dave

[FredSnerd (Claude)]

Originally Posted by Jules76

First I just want to say I'm not mocking anyone's experience, but I want to put my take on things. Personally I think it is a chemical thing, similar to dreaming if you like. It is interesting that people often have the same experience, but if you put it into context it's not really that suprising.

The whole "drawn to a bright light, seeing loved one's etc" is generally the experience we all come to expect. It's been shown on countless TV shows/movies or in books/literature and having people recount their experiences of the same thing simply reinforces this expectation. So when the time does come, it's not suprising in this "dream" state your mind grabs this "scenario" from your subconscious and plays it.

But anyway that's just my take.

Hi Julian,

Yeah I'm not saying its one way or the other. It could be chemical as you say or it could be an indication of a seperate consciousness from the body (which if I understand you correctly you don't really think is on the cards). Now I'm not advocating one theory over the other at this stage. I just think the whole thing is interesting. But I do have a problem with your explanation.

I think they have records of people having these experiances well before people were "sharing" their stories and I dare say people are having these experiances now without ever having paid much attention to the stories, so the preprogramed senario you suggest is not really a convincing explanation for me for the similar stories. Of course there may be other explanations for the similar stories that have nothing to do with a seperation of body and "soul" (for want of a better expression). Eg something in the nature of the brain chemical might induce similar images. Like I say I dont advocate one way or another. Its just facinating to me.

[jjjnettie (Jeanette)]

Originally Posted by dpastern

But then again, I also believe love is but a chemical reaction too.
Dave

Love is definitely a chemical reaction, with some other Darwinian bits thrown in. (Friendship is something completely different)
But LIFE is electric! You can turn LIFE off, but there's still that electrical impulse that has to go somewhere, but where?

[astroron (Ron)]

What about the other creatures out there, don't they get in on the act as well?
We are quite happy to snuff out lives at the drop of a hat, arn't they also part of the work of the maker?

[norm]

I've never had one, but I know of my dad having one and telling me the story.

He was a young bloke working as a stonemason and doing work at Inverell NSW in a new hostpital being built. He remembers touching something and next minute he is being electricuted. Next thing he sees a white tunnel seemingly drawing closer and closer to him. Just before he seems to go in, a voice tells him its not his time.....

Knowing my dad and who he is, growing up as an orphan and living a very humble life, this story always remains close to my heart. The way he told it was just so fair dinkum and so geniune, there is no way I would ever dismiss it. I certainly wouldn't be sceptical of other people's experience thats for sure.

Norm

[DavidU (Dave)]

Here am I thinking I had a near life experience LOL

Diving can be very dangerous as we have just read,but Fred you are just playing with fire there mate !

Originally Posted by FredSnerd

Jason, Geoff, you blokes make me feel really self concious. I'm 55 and the most dangerous thing I've ever done is talk back to the misses once when I had a few (But shes forgiven me now its ok).

[FredSnerd (Claude)]

Originally Posted by norm

I've never had one, but I know of my dad having one and telling me the story.

He was a young bloke working as a stonemason and doing work at Inverell NSW in a new hostpital being built. He remembers touching something and next minute he is being electricuted. Next thing he sees a white tunnel seemingly drawing closer and closer to him. Just before he seems to go in, a voice tells him its not his time.....

Knowing my dad and who he is, growing up as an orphan and living a very humble life, this story always remains close to my heart. The way he told it was just so fair dinkum and so geniune, there is no way I would ever dismiss it. I certainly wouldn't be sceptical of other people's experience thats for sure.

Norm

Great story Norm. Yeah, I'm not skeptical of the stories. There are just too many incidences to just dismiss it. Interestingly many people who have had NDE report a tunnel of light and a voice that told them to go back because its was not their time.

As I understand it the number of reported incidences of Near Death Experiance (NDE) are much greater now because medical science is such that many more people on the brink of death or who have infact technically died are being brought back to life.

Thanks for sharing

[lacad01 (Adam)]

Not exactly the traditional near death experience of dying and coming back but the closest thing I've had was when I was young and silly in my first car. It was a slightly souped up Datsun 1600, took it out on a back road in the Southern Highlands (NSW) and did the ton (that's 100MPH). Was rocking around a bit but handled it nicely.
Next day, I was going out on a short commute when I started to turn the steering wheel I heard a loud clunk and the steering wheel fealt a lot looser and turned round & round. Popped the bonnet, looked at the linkage, checked underneath and....
...one of the tie rods of the steering arm had snapped. Basically was held together by rust and finally gave way. If that had happened the previous day...sionara

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

I personally believe that voice is their own will saying "keep fighting to stay alive, you can do it!". Nothing more and nothing less.

As to electrical energy in the human body, it disappears once you die. Yes, you could argue that it goes somewhere else, but there's no proof whatsoever. I think you'll find that the electrical impulses are a matter of a byproduct of living cells.

Dave

[toryglen-boy (Duncan)]

i had a heart attack last year, and was briefly in hospital.

During the worse of it, i remember lying there, and feeling very comfy, kinda cold, but not uncomfortable at the same time, i remember feeling kinda disconnected, like i was there, but not quite there, and then i heard a noise, like white noise, like the noise from an old TV with the aerial out, the noise that accompanies "snow" on the TV. It was very faint, but within seconds it got louder, and louder, and louder until it was all encompassing, and i was screaming inside my head, as it got louder and louder, all of a sudden, i remember the noise just stopped, and there was a wooshing, rushing sensation, but it felt different, it felt like i was travelling along but not moving, if you can imagine driving a car on a treadmill, as the scenery whizzes past you, then thats a very rough approximation, all of a sudden it stopped, although i kept moving, i felt like i had been pulled violently, and was being pulled up and back, and all of a sudden i felt like a child again, and there was someone holding my hand, firmly, but not overly so, i felt my fingers slipping through this imaginary hand, and at the same time, i felt so utterly scared of letting go, as i knew i couldnt come back, but at the same time, the blackness beyond in itself wasnt scary, it was warm, and comforting, and inviting, and while i remember lying there motionless, being terrified of the unknown, i knew at the same time, there would be nothing to fear. Then, just as i was about to let go, i remember thinking about my family etc, and i grabbed on to the hand, and pulled myself forward, i wanted to see them, it felt like i had broken the surface after swimming up from a great depth, and i had quite a start, like when you dream of falling, and you jump yourself awake before hitting the ground, only to see myself surrounded by medics and equipment etc.

This is quite cathartic, its the first time i have mentioned it, as i dont know what it was, and yet it felt incredibly personal to me, that said, this thread seems like completely the right place to mention it.

[FredSnerd (Claude)]

Originally Posted by toryglen-boy

i had a heart attack last year, and was briefly in hospital.

During the worse of it, i remember lying there, and feeling very comfy, kinda cold, but not uncomfortable at the same time, i remember feeling kinda disconnected, like i was there, but not quite there, and then i heard a noise, like white noise, like the noise from an old TV with the aerial out, the noise that accompanies "snow" on the TV. It was very faint, but within seconds it got louder, and louder, and louder until it was all encompassing, and i was screaming inside my head, as it got louder and louder, all of a sudden, i remember the noise just stopped, and there was a wooshing, rushing sensation, but it felt different, it felt like i was travelling along but not moving, if you can imagine driving a car on a treadmill, as the scenery whizzes past you, then thats a very rough approximation, all of a sudden it stopped, although i kept moving, i felt like i had been pulled violently, and was being pulled up and back, and all of a sudden i felt like a child again, and there was someone holding my hand, firmly, but not overly so, i felt my fingers slipping through this imaginary hand, and at the same time, i felt so utterly scared of letting go, as i knew i couldnt come back, but at the same time, the blackness beyond in itself wasnt scary, it was warm, and comforting, and inviting, and while i remember lying there motionless, being terrified of the unknown, i knew at the same time, there would be nothing to fear. Then, just as i was about to let go, i remember thinking about my family etc, and i grabbed on to the hand, and pulled myself forward, i wanted to see them, it felt like i had broken the surface after swimming up from a great depth, and i had quite a start, like when you dream of falling, and you jump yourself awake before hitting the ground, only to see myself surrounded by medics and equipment etc.

This is quite cathartic, its the first time i have mentioned it, as i dont know what it was, and yet it felt incredibly personal to me, that said, this thread seems like completely the right place to mention it.

Duncan, I'm affraid I got a bit emotional just reading this. Great story. I think it was the part about grabbing the hand after you remembered your family that did it. Makes me sad just writing about it. HowBoutThemNicks

regards

[toryglen-boy (Duncan)]

Originally Posted by FredSnerd

Duncan, I'm affraid I got a bit emotional just reading this. Great story. I think it was the part about grabbing the hand after you remembered your family that did it. Makes me sad just writing about it. HowBoutThemNicks

regards

Thanks for that

i guess if i ever hear that sound again, then i know whats coming.

[Satchmo]

Duncan

Thanks for sharing your very personal experience.

" i remember feeling kinda disconnected, like i was there, but not quite there, and then i heard a noise, like white noise, like the noise from an old TV with the aerial out, the noise that accompanies "snow" on the TV."

What you describe is very much like the onset of the state of "lucid dreaming". There are various ways you can go about practising to induce the state. I've achieved it half a dozen times in my life . Its usually been when I have been over- tired but not able to sleep. In full lucid dreaming state you are aware that you are dreaming and able to influence the dream if if it is your sub -concious doing the steering..you are essentially let loose in another world with some sort of personal control over the consequences.

Commonly you find yourself to have super human powers and the visual aspects is so real..the three dimensional reality is such that an encounter with something very frightening can effect you for days, much as a powerful dream can.

Many alien encounter stories ( involving interventions, probings etc), and `white tunnel' near death experiences are suspected by some psychologists to have been induced by rare stress induced release of Dymethyltryptamine which is a tryptamine neurotransmitter which occurs naturally in the brain, that can cause powerful hallucinations.

[jjjnettie (Jeanette)]

Thanks for sharing that Duncan.

[renormalised (Carl)]

Originally Posted by Satchmo

Duncan

Thanks for sharing your very personal experience.

" i remember feeling kinda disconnected, like i was there, but not quite there, and then i heard a noise, like white noise, like the noise from an old TV with the aerial out, the noise that accompanies "snow" on the TV."

What you describe is very much like the onset of the state of "lucid dreaming". There are various ways you can go about practising to induce the state. I've achieved it half a dozen times in my life . Its usually been when I have been over- tired but not able to sleep. In full lucid dreaming state you are aware that you are dreaming and able to influence the dream if if it is your sub -concious doing the steering..you are essentially let loose in another world with some sort of personal control over the consequences.

Commonly you find yourself to have super human powers and the visual aspects is so real..the three dimensional reality is such that an encounter with something very frightening can effect you for days, much as a powerful dream can.

Many alien encounter stories ( involving interventions, probings etc), and `white tunnel' near death experiences are suspected by some psychologists to have been induced by rare stress induced release of Dymethyltryptamine which is a tryptamine neurotransmitter which occurs naturally in the brain, that can cause powerful hallucinations.

I think what needs to be done here is not try to pigeon hole what these experiences are...whether they turn out to be some neurotransmitter induced "hallucination" or actual survival of an entity/consciousness. What needs to happen is a full on study of what is occurring. Even then we may not find out what's really going on because our technology, state of development etc etc, may not be up to finding the answers. But it shouldn't stop us from trying.

It's like this...psychologists might "suspect" it's this or that, but in truth, what do they really know about the brain, or anything else for that matter. They barely know anything about what they think they know in the first place. Who's to say that when these neurotransmitters flood the brain that what you're having is actually an "hallucination", powerful or otherwise. You could just as easily state that what we experience in our daily lives as being the "hallucination". It's all predicated on the chemistry of neurotransmitters and their effects on cellular function. It may be that in order to access these other levels of existence/reality, whatever you may want to perceive things, that these other neurotransmitters have to kick in...creating an altered state of consciousness that allows somoene to see into these other realms. Who's to say?!!!

[dpastern (Dave Pastern)]

Thanks for sharing your story Duncan.

Dave

[renormalised (Carl)]

Thank you to everyone who have shared their stories...it takes courage to open up like that