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Old 12-01-2009, 03:44 AM
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It appears to me that the vast majority of us (and I'm one of them) refer to themselves as "amateur astronomers." ......
Thoughts, anyone?

Phil I often use the "amateur astronomer" term to describe myself, but I was once "corrected" by someone who was firmly of the opinion that as I have no actual tertiary qualifications in astronomy I shouldn't be calling myself an astronomer of any kind!

(I wonder what Galileo, Copernicus, etc, would have to say on that?)

Anyway I sometimes use the term "backyard astronomer" as I think maybe it gives people a clearer picture of what I do, and I was once referred to as an "astronomy enthusiast" by a radio announcer.

Whatever name we use for ourselves, the viewing (or lack thereof) is exactly the same, and no more or no less enjoyable!
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Old 13-01-2009, 12:13 AM
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Just one final thought on all this;
The title on the top of the page reads - Ice In Space - Australian Amateur Astronomy.
Why is it so?
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If "Bird Watcher" is good enough for amateurs in the avian field why isn't "Star Gazer" or "Star Watcher" appropriate for us ?

But if you are photographing the sky are you automatically an "Astro Photographer" or does that depend on the level of gear and the standards attained or your formal training ?
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Old 15-02-2009, 04:29 PM
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If "Bird Watcher" is good enough for amateurs in the avian field why isn't "Star Gazer" or "Star Watcher" appropriate for us ?
Quite simple. This is associated with astrology and the (unnecessary) Jewish / Arabic tradition of looking for the appearance of the new moon for the beginning of each month. Tradition favours the separation of astrology and astronomy. Do you want to be associated with the astrology (swear word intended.) ?
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Phil I often use the "amateur astronomer" term to describe myself, but I was once "corrected" by someone who was firmly of the opinion that as I have no actual tertiary qualifications in astronomy I shouldn't be calling myself an astronomer of any kind!

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The world is run by people (idiots) who have lots of tertiary qualifications but not the foggiest idea on how to apply them. Look at the mess they are creating.

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Old 15-02-2009, 05:25 PM
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Phil I often use the "amateur astronomer" term to describe myself, but I was once "corrected" by someone who was firmly of the opinion that as I have no actual tertiary qualifications in astronomy I shouldn't be calling myself an astronomer of any kind!

(I wonder what Galileo, Copernicus, etc, would have to say on that?)
Who was the snob who said that??!!!. I wonder just how well "educated" that person was.....I love idiots like that. I've come across so many of them in my day and I take a great deal of pleasure in bringing them down a notch or 6. They seem to think they're the ultimate authority in what is known and who should know what, that in reality they know very little at all. Even about subject matter to which they've spent a great deal of time "learning" at an university and/or TAFE. Like all "experts" they think that what they know is all there is to know. Truth is, the more you learn, the less you actually really know. It's a truth some of these people seem to forget and should take heed of.

I've been an amateur astronomer for many years, and within a few short years hope to make that a professional qualification. However, I'll never relinquish being an amateur because no matter what I might do as a professional astronomer, I will always take great pleasure in observing with whatever equipment I may have at the time. Love to see one of those tools say something to me like what that one said to you, then. I wouldn't be able to stop laughing!!!....at them.
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Old 15-02-2009, 06:08 PM
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Although I hold several tertiary qualifications I can certainly relate to the sentiments below. The problem with university is that many people spend more time drinking and socialising (not that I have a problem with that ) then learning their craft. It is not uncommon for graduates to leave with a pass average and very little knowledge let alone practical application skills in their area of study. Still many seem to complete the unofficial unit A101 "how to be an arrogant obnoxious sod" with honours and will use any opportunity to exert their superior intellect on other lesser beings.

To me "amature" means to do something you love without expectation of payment. An "astronomer" is someone who studies the stars. So an amature astronomer is someone who studies the stars for the love of it. Fairly simple I would have thought. Perhaps it would be better not to elevate amature astronmers to the unobtainable but rather elevate those gifted individuals who carry out real research along side the professionals to the status of semi proffessional astronomers. I for one will continue to call myself an amature astronomer as I am still paying for the pleasure, I love star gazing and have so much more to learn.

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Old 15-02-2009, 09:19 PM
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Maybe then my son could give me a grant next weekend to observe the eskimo nebula and report on the magnitude of the central dying star.....and call myself KEV the ASTRONOMER (kev now comes back to reallity)......Gotta run...Cheers Kev.
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Old 16-02-2009, 10:54 PM
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It is a bit like splitting hairs isn't it. But if the label fits.........

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