Crazy neighbour + AVO + do nothing cops - Page 2

Ian Robinson · #21 09-11-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by anthony.tony

Have you tried playing Loud mind bending Classical Music .Plus don't Talk to Him Just Stare at him.,Walk around your back yard and do mad things too.Roll around on the ground and scream and yell.Pretend your building something and keep coming in and out of the house .Come out of your house and crawl around the yard on your hands ans Knees.When its coming to Full Moon and Full Moon Stand out the back where he can see you and Do a Dance and Make signs at the Moon. Rguard's Tony

No I haven't . I am not a good enough actor to pull it off (convincingly) - and if I did I don't fancy being taken away in an ambulance to Watt Street.

But I think a lot of his ranting sounds like praying or stuff from the bible - and I have been told (by the kid who across the road - he's also a bit nutty and seems to getting worse lately - copying the crazy man's behaviour ?? - that he says I'm the antichrist and evil .... Me..... ????
He was going to a local church I hear for a few years and became "religious" to a crazy extent - stopped going when the other parisoners in the congregation became scared of him and started shunning him and the priest asked him not to come back until he had become well again.

On occasion I have considered playing on that belief he has and having some fun with it... but I don't know much about that kind of stuff if it didn't scare him away , it could make matters even worse .

Davros (Lauren) · #22 09-11-2008, 02:00 PM

The policy of the current government are that people like this should be integrated into the community instead of institutionalized. Indeed the number of institutions has all but dried up. The Police have bugger all power and or resources to deal with them thanks to civil libitarian action. The only people with the power are the local magistrate, his mental health case worker and the local member of parliament.
Remember when all the council houses used to be in one suburb but now they are spread around. This is the same scenario. Integrate managed people back into society.
Unfortunately in your case the only way you will get any luck is by complaining directly to the local member with a detailed list of incidents and the supporting signatures of your neighbours.
Best of luck.

Lee · #23 09-11-2008, 02:16 PM

T'was just a suggestion - you obviously know how ineffective the law is in these situations though. Plenty of people have ruined large portions of their lives by letting a disruptive neighbour and the dispute itself take over. Is by no means a cowards way out.
I do agree with you - I think breaking an AVO should mean immediate imprisonment.

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Originally Posted by Ian Robinson

I refuse to be driven out of the home I have worked hard to pay for and have invested a lot of time and effort in improving by the likes of this prick. I bought my home 27 years ago and my wife and I have a very strong attachment to the home having raised a family in it and we are strongly invested in it and the local community and neighbourhood . Our moving means he has won and is the coward's way out .... I personally refuse to let him win , nor am I a coward. Even if we could find a buyer willing to vouluntarily live next to him .... would you buy a house with a neighbour like him ? I wouldn't (you'd never see me again after the house inspection and being told about him or here or seeing his behavior).

I want him gone (one way or another !!!).

His other neighbour feels the say way and are also hardworking people who have invested a lot time and money and effort in improving their home (which they bought of their mum - who had the house before they bought it off her and who lives with them).

AstralTraveller (David) · #24 09-11-2008, 02:19 PM

If contacting your local MP doesn't work, is there a local scandal sheet or shock jock you could contact? I hate those types with a passion but perhaps this time they could actually do something useful. Don't forget to mention the MP has also done nothing, they are much more responsive to bad publicity than the cops.

I'd also avoid violence. Apart from what you've said I wonder what he is on. Pot doesn't normally flip people out that way. I suppose it's more correct to say, pot doesn't flip out normal people that way, but I still doubt it is the main problem. Alcohol can make people agro but they usually don't have much stamina, especially at his age. I wonder whether he uses ice? From what I've heard it could cause the agro and explain him not just crashing out. If he is high on that he may also have more strength than you would image. Add to that a lack of concern about the damage he is causing and he could be a very dangerous customer.

TrevorW · #25 09-11-2008, 02:40 PM

Unfortunately for us the minority do gooder groups think that mentally disturbed people are better off in their own surroundings instead of being institutionalised however it's these same people who get up in arms and get something done if someone like your neighbour moved in next door to them.

IMO the Govt should be a little bit more proactive and protect the rights of honest law abiding tax payers instead of trying to cut costs.

Sometimes a good labotomy and padded cell is needed to protect the average joe and maintain law and order as these people can kill without reason

xelasnave · #26 09-11-2008, 03:00 PM

Ian I feel for you as I have had similar going on in Sydney with an exemployee of my Son's.

I was told once that most relationships break down because of indifference...more than through love or hate and was quoted a figure of65% ...indifference is the key and I would like to think that perhaps this is the message of the turn the other cheek approach favoured by Jesus Christ... there is merit I believe ..often these folk need someone to annoy and I found that apart from taking the appropriate steps to report each breach of the order cut off all contact and responce... this seems to have worked.

I feel that trying to think good about the person who is annoying you may help also...

If however things are intollerable do not be to proud to holiday elsewhere even if for a day or two... I know work..well get a motel close by... sometimes being away from the action helps... he needs people to play with just make sure you are not one of them.

I find if someone is a big enough idiot there are many folk who will take care of them before you get around to it...trust me on that...so dont let this upset up..

best wishes

alex

Ian Robinson · #27 09-11-2008, 03:01 PM

Thankyou for the suggestions all .... appreciated .

He hasn't come home today (yet) .... peace and quiet is bliss !!! Had an earlyish night last night and the first good night of sleep since he came home last week.

If what the psyc worker told me was true , he's due for his next med's injection (every 2 weeks) tomorrow - so crossing fngers - that he may not be home for a while (if they keep him for observation ??? as part of that).

I'll definitely be calling Jill Hall's office and asking to see her , perhaps with the other neighbour (I'll wonder down and have a chat with her and her hubby about this) , so we can present a united front and hopefully get some real action .

Crossing fingers on the legal outcome of his prank / hoax 000 call , and his breach of the other AVO.

Failing that - I shall continue to keep a very detailed blow by blow log of the behaviours I observe and his illegal and crazy behaviours and will keep on calling 000 and the police when ever he flips out - even if I become a pest. I'll suggest to the other neighbours that we apply a zero tolerance to his behaviour and they do as I will , call the cops immediately when ever they see or hear him flipping.

000 is best to use as each time you call the call is recorded and given a number.
If you call the cops directly you may not get through and if you do they may not keep much of a record or any record and for all I know he may well be hirting himself or be on the verge of attacking someone or someone's property so that makes the call to 000 justified - the cops have not told me to stop or chipped me about it either.

Will check out cheap webcams (recorded video monitoring on 24/7 basis of my property and surrounds) too. One for the front patio facing in his direction , one for the garage facing my house and monitoring the boundary and driveway. And will let the neighbours know that I am and why I am doing this. But only if I can do this cheaply ....

I have requested the cops patrol the street regularly (I know who I asked to at Charlestown copshop so if it doesn't happen I'll know who to name, and will suggest the other neighbour do similarly.

xelasnave · #28 09-11-2008, 03:04 PM

Most things just are so we can adjust our reality by calling them what we wish..good or bad opportunity or closeout... I would see this like a movie and you are the hero ..this is the down turn the hero always has before everything pays off... so live in the moment and enjoy it as if you were the star...because you are..good luck mate this time next year you will look back and laugh...rise above it

alex

Ian Robinson · #29 09-11-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by xelasnave

Ian I feel for you as I have had similar going on in Sydney with an exemployee of my Son's.

I was told once that most relationships break down because of indifference...more than through love or hate and was quoted a figure of65% ...indifference is the key and I would like to think that perhaps this is the message of the turn the other cheek approach favoured by Jesus Christ... there is merit I believe ..often these folk need someone to annoy and I found that apart from taking the appropriate steps to report each breach of the order cut off all contact and responce... this seems to have worked.

I feel that trying to think good about the person who is annoying you may help also...

If however things are intollerable do not be to proud to holiday elsewhere even if for a day or two... I know work..well get a motel close by... sometimes being away from the action helps... he needs people to play with just make sure you are not one of them.

I find if someone is a big enough idiot there are many folk who will take care of them before you get around to it...trust me on that...so dont let this upset up..

best wishes

alex

We've not communicated with him or even acknowledged him since the incident that triggered my applying for our original AVO , that was over 2 years ago. The last application for our AVO to be extended included a full printout my Log , attached to it, the magistrate asked I initial each page which I did - so my log has become part of the court's record.

Where possible I totally ignore him and we want NOTHING at all to do with him.
I do however observe and have recently started to record his behaviour in detail and frequently complaign to the cops when he is flipping.

The cop I spoke with on Friday says he thinks judging from what's been going on he wont be around long .... but when I asked "why ?" he declined to say.

Lee · #30 09-11-2008, 03:08 PM

This dude sounds more bad than mad - needs a stint in prison, rather than a few weeks in serviced apartments, where you get hand delivered all the benzo's etc you like (aka Mental Health Unit....).

Screwdriverone (Chris) · #31 09-11-2008, 03:10 PM

Hi Ian,

My sympathies, as for a solution, forget the cameras, HDD recording etc, better to go straight to the top, no, I dont mean MP's, Police or council......

Give Channel 7 a call, specifically Today Tonight.

They love this sort of thing, have all the "surveillance" technology already mentioned here and will no doubt do a special on "the neighbourhood under siege" and provide much higher levels of awareness to the local authorities than you can ever achieve.

I know this from experience when my wife engaged Today Tonight over a warranty issue with a venetian blind company who failed to rectify their faulty products and within 24hrs of the airing of the program, we had ALL of their products replaced with the correct blinds.

Media has its uses. Make sure you emphasise the fear in which you and your wife live.

And good luck.

Cheers

Chris

xelasnave · #32 09-11-2008, 03:15 PM

As I said keep your distance and report breaches of the order... you may think the police are doing nothing at times but it is not always the case... and if someone is an idiot they make enemies all over things catch up ..often folk like that irritate some little guy who takes it and reappears when they least expect it..the stories I could tell about idiots getting it..the ones who did not get it from me that is...and there is a list of them also... but the main thing is to be happy and not let it get to you and that can be hard but I like the movie approach I have got through some horrific situations with that approach...

alex

casstony · #33 09-11-2008, 03:20 PM

As much as I dislike those programs Today Tonight sounds like an excellent idea.

Ian Robinson · #34 09-11-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by xelasnave

Most things just are so we can adjust our reality by calling them what we wish..good or bad opportunity or closeout... I would see this like a movie and you are the hero ..this is the down turn the hero always has before everything pays off... so live in the moment and enjoy it as if you were the star...because you are..good luck mate this time next year you will look back and laugh...rise above it

alex

I hope so ....

Ian Robinson · #35 09-11-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by casstony

As much as I dislike those programs Today Tonight sounds like an excellent idea.

Only as a possible last resort , short of taking the law into my own hands. Don't wont to go there, but will if I fear I have no other option in order to protect my wife, my property and myself , lucky the son no longer live at home so he is away from all this.

AdrianF (Adrian) · #36 09-11-2008, 04:00 PM

couple of 18gal kegs and the local bikie group would probably work wonders.

Adrian

Ian Robinson · #37 09-11-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee

This dude sounds more bad than mad - needs a stint in prison, rather than a few weeks in serviced apartments, where you get hand delivered all the benzo's etc you like (aka Mental Health Unit....).

I agree .... but he has the bleeding hearted shrinks convinced and they aren't interested in the effect he has on everyone else , only in his "well being" and judging from what has been
happening, they are also a waste of space and as far as I can see - incompetent..

I called them last night after I'd called the 000 the second time , and they didn't want to know and passed the buck back to cops saying it was a police matter .... wont be calling them again. Waste of a phone call and of my time. How often do you hear of some wackjob killing someone or seriously hurting someone on the news - nearly aways these skitzo types , and I've got one next door .... pretty dammed regularly ... he poses a definite risk and danger and I don't care what his friends and the case worker says , they only see him every so often and don't know what he's really like - he's dangerous and I want him gone.

Mental health mob takes no account of community impact of these types of people when they insist on letting them out.

Ian Robinson · #38 09-11-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AdrianF

couple of 18gal kegs and the local bikie group would probably work wonders.

Adrian

Don't want to go there.

matt · #39 09-11-2008, 05:41 PM

Good luck getting Today Tonight or programs of that ilk involved or interested.

As a print/magazine/radio journo of many years I can tell you they're only interested in a story like this if there's more of an angle than just a neighbour or two being pissed off with another neighbour...as disruptive as that neighbour may be, and as much as it may have become a large part of your life.

You're much better off going down the path/s already suggested. If police, state MP and local council fail to come to your aid...then you've really got something of interest to Today/Tonight! They love to run stories pointing out the failure of cops and authorities to act in obvious cases where action is required.

First things first.

This is a different issue to a vendor stiffing an individual over a warranty issue. Not nearly so clear-cut or of broader benefit. That's not to say it wouldn't be a useful piece on how to deal with troublesome of potentially dangerous neighbours...

It's just that vendors letting down 'the little guy' and being taken to task has broader appeal as a tabloid piece than a nutbag making a lot of noise and generally being a pain.

Just my 2c worth...and offering the benefit of my professional experience. For every approach that's made to Today Tonight which they decide to take up...there's 99 they toss into their 'Ho Hum' file.

Feel free to make whatever approaches to whomever you see as worthwhile...but I'd go trough the usual channels first before taking a punt on the 'current affairs' shows.

All the best...and let us know how things pan out.

Miaplacidus (Brian) · #40 09-11-2008, 06:10 PM

Okay, this is going to sound freaky, but if this guy is signficantly younger than you this might work. If not, at least it might sound funny, and maybe provide food for thought for any parents out there.

Not long ago I downloaded Audiobox to generate pure tone frequencies (I was experimenting with non-Newtonian fluids). I found that there was a high enough frequency that I couldn't hear at all, no matter what the volume, and yet it drove my kids nuts. I could stand right next to the amplifier totally oblivious, and the kids up the other end of the house would be yelling out for me to turn it off. Fantastic! I'd finally hit on a way to motivate them to leave once they get old enough. Anyway, you can see where this is going...

Good luck!