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Old 11-10-2008, 11:34 AM
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I would like a Servocat on the 16" the main reason being at high magnification an object zooms through the field at a rapid rate of knots.
Trying to observe faint stars in faint galaxies would be a great help with a drive mechanism.
Ron
arrrh! Ha!

Ron has a reason that actually seems valid to me.

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Old 11-10-2008, 02:32 PM
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And no offence John but
I would feel like a right "W" putting one on a lil 10" but that's just me, and
again it ain't the cost. I mean why would you do that if not to make yourself
a big headed pullhard.... I mean really get a gripp. But then again that's just
me, but I know I'm not alone in thinking that.

regards,CS
Rob,

It has nothing to do with ego.

Having servocat on a 10" scope effectively turns it into a 12" scope by allowing you to resolve much fainter detail in dim targets, as a result of the accurate tracking and increased comfort.

The motorised tracking is the big benefit, goto is neither here nor there.

Why do you think double star and planetary observers put their 4" refractors on a tracking eq mount, which generally costs more than servocat (for a good one) for a telescope less than 1/2 the size of my 10" ? Ego ?

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Old 12-10-2008, 04:40 AM
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Rob,

It has nothing to do with ego.

Having servocat on a 10" scope effectively turns it into a 12" scope by allowing you to resolve much fainter detail in dim targets, as a result of the accurate tracking and increased comfort.

The motorised tracking is the big benefit, goto is neither here nor there.
Unfortunately John and I hate to burst your bubble but it's still just a 10"
scope, it's a simple thing called physics . And as for comfortability and
increased detail, where is the science that points to this. I think it's a
more subjective thing than actual reality.

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Why do you think double star and planetary observers put their 4" refractors on a tracking eq mount, which generally costs more than servocat (for a good one) for a telescope less than 1/2 the size of my 10" ? Ego ?

Cheers,
John B
Well I really dont think your comparison is a good one, kinda like comparing
apples and bannanas. Besides most of the setups you are comparing to
usually have dirty great big cameras attached to them. Have a close look
when your at your next star party. And probably why they dont use 10"
dobs with servocat installed I thought this is about servocat on
small dobs

In the end it's all about what floats your boat, ego or scope

regards,CS
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Old 12-10-2008, 05:22 PM
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Does anyone know if the alt bearings collapse into two pieces like the obsession or is removable for transport?
The Obsession UC design uses a single long strip of teflon (and rounds out the front edge) to help eradicate the "bump" in the join in the break apart altitude fins.

Having a single piece of Teflon also means that you can design the front of the altitude fins so that they are shorter than if you had the separate pads at 70 degrees. So, this means that the SDM UC altitude fins do not go any higher than the UTA when it is storage mode anyway, negating the need to have them fold over, unless you want to store it under your bed. As long as they are above the centre of gravity it won't tip over.

If you look at the photos you will see what I mean. I would have gone this way with the 22" if I hadn't already got the parts cut first - would simplify construction.
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Old 12-10-2008, 08:06 PM
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And as for comfortability and
increased detail, where is the science that points to this. I think it's a
more subjective thing than actual reality.
Who needs `science' to back up or legitemise whatever people find gives them any kind of edge to their observational abilities?

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In the end it's all about what floats your boat, ego or scope
Your posts are a living example..thanks !
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Old 13-10-2008, 10:18 AM
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The diffraction-limited field in a newtonian is actually quite small so objects are sharper in the center of the FOV. This has nothing to do with eyepieces, though good ones like Naglers will have less astigmatism (seagulls at the edges) which is another problem.

For visual observing, ultimately the discernment of detail is made by the human brain, so it is not unreasonable to suggest that it will notice greater detail if it it is more relaxed and not using some thinking processes for nudging the scope.

These problems are more of an issue at higher powers when objects whizz across the field quickly. One thing a larger scope allows you to do because of it's greater light grasp is to increase the magnification on small, faint objects like planetaries and galaxies without them dimming too much. It also has greater resolution and thus potential, when the atmosphere allows, to increase the magnification more than a smaller scope. So the bigger the scope, the more advantageous tracking becomes.

Many experienced observers have stated there is an increase in the discernment of detail by adding tracking to a large newtonian, not unlike an increase in aperture. There is, of course, no more detail collected by the telescope but the person viewing does indeed see a bit more IMO.


Anyway, it's nice to have but not essential for enjoyable viewing (a relief given the plunging Aussie dollar) and probably goes against the low-tech, low-cost, no-fuss, yogurt-powered Dobsonian ethos somewhat.
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Old 14-10-2008, 06:31 AM
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Who needs `science' to back up or legitemise whatever people find gives them any kind of edge to their observational abilities?
When someone touts an idea like it's fact.

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Your posts are a living example..thanks !
Gee thanks Mark I'm really glad you appreciate them

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Old 14-10-2008, 02:22 PM
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When someone touts an idea like it's fact.
What is not potenetially 'factual' about someone seeing more detail with a smaller scope with a drive than a larger one without ?

I'm not an avid observer like JohnB but I remember two oppositions of Mars ago I saw fine granualation in the markings on Mars in my 340mm F5 with newly fitted Dobdriver : finer detail than anything I have ever seen with a larger non-driven telescope. This detail was invisible when I tried hand tracking. I don't feel I need to conduct a formal scientific study to satisfy anyone else of my observations..
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