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Old 22-08-2005, 06:30 PM
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I've seen 6. Normally on a reasonable night, with the 12.4 SP @ 92 X, they stand out really well. The 9.7 SP @ 117 X shows them a little better, but as you know, it all depends on the conditions. L.
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Old 22-08-2005, 07:16 PM
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Oh! I didn't even know theres more than 6 in the trapezium. Thanks L. I'm gonna have a go at seeing more than 6.
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Old 22-08-2005, 07:29 PM
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@ 15.8 and 16.7? Need excellent seeing. Good luck. L.
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Old 22-08-2005, 11:07 PM
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The 7th "G" star was discovered by A.G Clarke in the 36" refractor at Lick Observatory so your gonna need more than good luck and good seeing

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Old 22-08-2005, 11:36 PM
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Ok...So I'm gonna need LOTS of luck?! No harm in trying hey?
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Old 01-09-2005, 01:16 AM
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Saw 4 using the 15X70 binos a couple of mornings ago.
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Old 01-09-2005, 01:58 AM
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I bagged 6 a couple of mornings ago with my 10" Newt with "good" seeing, but not "great".
On a couple of exceptional nights, I've gotten 6 with my 4.5" Newt. Its one of my informal seeing tests with my 4.5":
4 Stars - bad to average seeing
5 Stars - good to great seeing
6 Stars - great to awesome seeing

<shrug> it works for me =-)
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Old 01-09-2005, 02:24 PM
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Yup I think there is a concensus here. I see 6 routinely in my C6 and 5 in my Orion 80ST. Have not had a chance to try that out with my 102ST yet though.

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Ok, tried the trap tonight and still only 4 even at 400x and 480x.

Focussing in an out, i really believe my collimation is not spot on or my optics aren't up to it. One star looks like a smudges double.

Can't wait til camp to get some help on collimation for beginners!
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Old 15-10-2005, 06:01 AM
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It's really the seeing that will effect it Dave (as well as collimation). You'll need 200x or less to see E and F if the seeing is good.
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Old 15-10-2005, 06:13 AM
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seeing was pretty good, mars at 400x was not bad and yes collimation!
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Old 15-10-2005, 09:38 AM
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Saw 5 last night in the ED80 from my moonlit backyard .
Makes it much easier when you know where to expect to see them.
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Old 15-10-2005, 12:37 PM
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I'm almost always been able to tease out E & F even in reasonable conditions using a
10mm XW @ 120x. In pristine conditions using 350x (3.5mm XW) they fade away. So
120x seems to work best for me. Also I guess knowing where to look helps, thanks to
Astro_South.

With components H & G sitting @ 16+ I'll need a scope upgrade or a bionic eyeball.

Has anyone using say a 16" dob been able to tease out H & G? what about you astron?

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Old 15-10-2005, 01:03 PM
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I have seen Six in aperture as small as 4" Tak on a good night ,on the matter of SCT John is right in saying that the conditions need to be good and Geoff saying (You have to know where to look ) now you might think your SCT is collimated well but did you check It at 400X ! thats where you'll get good collimation for these scopes. When I had a C8 I had no trouble with five and many times with six when the seeing was good.
I even managed to split 0.8 gamma centuri on a good night with a C8 at 300X and hey I'll tell you now both my Tak's couldn't do It !
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Old 15-10-2005, 02:42 PM
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Ok, tried the trap tonight and still only 4 even at 400x and 480x.

Focussing in an out, i really believe my collimation is not spot on or my optics aren't up to it. One star looks like a smudges double.

Can't wait til camp to get some help on collimation for beginners!
Davo that mag is to high ! you'll have better luck between 150x too 200x I think
at least that's what It has been for me mate . Otherwise you loose too much light !
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Old 15-10-2005, 03:08 PM
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David,

Louie is right, that mag is way to high. In an 8" dob somewhere between 100X to 160X will bring them out. The important thing is good transparency, also let them get high in altitude and fair seeing also helps.

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Old 15-10-2005, 03:11 PM
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Davo,

If you want to see doubles at high mag try Alpha Centuri @ 400x it'll take it

but it will appear like a Mack truck is about to enter your scope

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Old 18-10-2005, 03:05 AM
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With my 4.5" F/8 - 5 on a good night and 6 on a great night!
With my 10" F/5 - 5 on most but horrible nights and 6 on a normal night!
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Old 24-10-2005, 01:15 PM
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I didnt know there was more than 4 until I got my 12" dob the other night, now I can see 6 easily, it does take a bit of power though, it wasnt obvious until I used a 15mm EP or better.
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