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Old 22-07-2005, 03:03 PM
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Thats not quite correct either...
That was an interesting post. I had forgotten to consider things other than thermal properties.
I found a site that has the properties of mirror substrates and the steady and transient thermal distortion characteristics of BK7 are between 1.5 and 2 times as good as plate glass. But just stiffness is not much higher (73.1 vs 81 GPa).
http://www.minerals.sk.ca/atm_design...als/plate.html
http://www.minerals.sk.ca/atm_design/materials/bk7.html
Substrates page
An interesting thing is this sentence at the top of the page:

"As a telescope mirror material, BK7 is still much more expensive and inferior to many other possible choices."

I know this may make me look argumentative, but I like to get to the bottom of things when involved in discussions of a quantitative nature. I don't mean to disrespect you or anyone else.
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Old 23-07-2005, 09:43 AM
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No offence taken.

Doug Miller is a small time Amateur Astronomer and mirror maker in the USA. That statement is his opinion which he is entitled to have, doesn't mean its correct. He makes good mirrors but does not have the reputation of people like Carl Zambuto, Bob Royce, Steve Swayze or Larry Hardin. If you also look at the properties of BK7 glass on the Melles Griot website you will notice some of the figures are significantly different to what Doug quotes, particularly Knoop's hardness which Doug quotes at 520 and Melles Griot at 610. This compares with plate glass at 470. A couple of other numbers worth looking at are Steady State Thermal distortion and Transient Thermal distortion where BK7 fares infinitely better than plate glass.

http://www.mellesgriot.com/products/...mp_3_1.htm#BK7

FWIW Bob Royce indicates that he quite likes BK7 as a primary mirror substrate but goes on to say that he has also made a number of excellent plate glass mirrors in the past.

What does all this mean, not a lot really other than "who makes the mirror" is infinitely more important than "what its made from" which is what I also indicated in my previous post.

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