Hi ho, hi ho, its off to vote we go (on Nov 24) - Page 2

vindictive666 (John) · #21 15-10-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackmanyep

Whatever happens, when you see those boring Govt commercials on TV just remember thats our money being wasted !

yep and then on the actual day the amount of trees (in Paper) you get handed to toss in bins as well

Ric · #22 15-10-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackmanyep

Whatever happens, when you see those boring Govt commercials on TV just remember thats our money being wasted !

And there still 6 more weeks of it to go

They could spend some of that taxpayer money and try and buy my vote. an ED100 would do just nicely at the moment

Cheers

avandonk · #23 15-10-2007, 05:12 PM

I was handing out how to vote cards some years ago. And I pointed out to to my opposite 'enemy' party worker that the ballot boxes are cardboard and the 'lock' a cable tie. The poll workers were all diligent and the whole count at the booth I was at could be seen by anyone who wanted to. This really shows how healthy our democracy is. It is easy to be cynical. It is much harder to create and build for the future.

There was no implied violence or guns, no deaths etc that do plague some other 'democracies.'

We are indeed fortunate that we can cast our vote with no more than annoying election campaigns. So it is our duty to think carefully and vote for the party or person of your preference.

If you don't like the quality of the candidates then consider standing yourself. Or support someone you think is better.

It is no good complaining, get involved if you want to make a difference.

It makes for a much healthier democracy.

Bert

fringe_dweller · #24 15-10-2007, 05:49 PM

well said bert (and Alex earlier) yes we i wish more people appreciated this excellent democracy, as some of us do, the alternatives are very depressing indeed, as mentioned.
as for running yourself, well, you have to have led a pretty saintly life these days, like Howard live at home till your 34, umm being a bible thumpin fundie christian, or the EB's and their ilk will dredge something up with their army of private eye's, rather sad to me, people who have lived a little have no chance. certainly no atheists should try it!

avandonk · #25 15-10-2007, 06:07 PM

I AM an Atheist thank GOD!

Bert

GrahamL · #26 15-10-2007, 08:51 PM

Roll on nov 25..Ill people have to wait for medical treatment ?.. Our country can't provide a decent skills base to meet comunity demands?.. and its 34 (bill)of tax cuts today ?..both the first two are core things govts are supposed to get right ... and both parties are no differant in regard ..IMO.

The ME over WE mentality of society today is largely to blame I think.
By all means get involved but for me its two of the same telling us to
"bend over and we'll drive you home ".. is just so plain dull !!

Starkler (Geoff) · #27 15-10-2007, 09:37 PM

As much political discussion should be avoided I just have to say that there IS a clear point of difference between the parties, and its not a trivial one, so i cannot agree with those who say they are all the same

fringe_dweller · #28 16-10-2007, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by avandonk

I AM an Atheist thank GOD!

Bert

and lol nightstalker, yes it's drunken sailor time! roll up roll up for the pork barrelling orgy - much more entertainment to come yet methinks

Geoff, very true, in some area's of policy, that affect, no small amount of people, are gaping chasms, it probably would be a little disingenuous to say they are identical in every single area, i suspect.

accumulated baggage would be one big difference just for starters?, to the turn a blind eye brigade maybe not

cahullian · #29 16-10-2007, 03:11 PM

We do live in a great democracy with lots of contradictions. Who would ever imagined a Labour leader having more money than a Liberal one. Don't you just love it? he he he

Gazz

CoombellKid · #30 16-10-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cahullian

We do live in a great democracy with lots of contradictions. Who would ever imagined a Labour leader having more money than a Liberal one. Don't you just love it? he he he

Gazz

Yeah that's for sure...

I find it amusing that the Liberals and there supporterslike to harp on about
the ALP having 70% trade unions types in the masses, and the scary thing
that will be if they win FEAR!!! SCARE!!! FEAR!!! where as the Liberals have
big business types in there masses, probably why they dreamed up Work
Choices.

regards,CS

acropolite (Phil) · #31 16-10-2007, 03:52 PM

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I cannot agree with those who say they are all the same

I have to agree, they're two entirely different flavours of the same corruption.....I'm voting for the greens.

Geoff45 (Geoff) · #32 16-10-2007, 03:57 PM

If there was an anti light pollution party I'd vote for it.

fringe_dweller · #33 16-10-2007, 04:24 PM

hehe ya got to love those 'business unions' Rob,, love their ad with the brutish thugs from the dressmakers union storming in

strangest thing is unions havent been a big problem since the 70's/80's and the accord era,... living in the past?

I also find it odd that no one seems to object to the police/ambos/nurses/teachers/public servants ect having unions - but ordinary minimum wage workers - nope - guess it has to benifit them in someway.

are the greens above it all Phil?, immune to corruption? they havent even tested in that area yet?

xelasnave · #34 18-10-2007, 09:20 AM

I think the demonising of rich, the poor, the unions, the employer groups should be stopped.

We do not condone radial vilification in this country yet entertain "class" vilification.

I guess I am the only person to see this goes on ..but what a sad thing it is when Unions are held up as a demonic group... what a sad thing it is when employer groups are held up as a demonic group... what a sad thing it is when those on social security are held up as a demonic group.

This is class hatred... can no one understand that there are classes in our society... that is not wrong it is the way things are... but to sit back and happily let one class hate another I can not do.

See this for what is is... nasty.
Why hate unions for example ..they only want to get a better lot for their group...why hate employer groups ..they only want to get a better deal for their group... why do we need class hatred..it is evil.

This is the calling of one class to hate another...union bashing..uping the employer groups, coming down on the unfortunates of the social rubbish heap.

Unions are workers..why hate them.

Business men are having a go and for the most part honest in their view of themselves...why hate them.

Those having to accept the dole rather than a real job really have littel choice....why hate them.

Single mothers have found themsleves in an unhappy situation ..why hate them.

This class hatred is discusting and if you find yourself hating another class stop and think what you are doing... this should be stamped out.

Who put this hatred in your heart..do you really think it was your idea???

It is silient and sinister and is not needed by anyone other than those seeking to gain power by calling upon you to hate someone else.

It is no different but more disgusting than racial hatred.

Dont hate anyone for their class ..
do not be guilty of class hatred and look hard at those who insite you to be this way.

You dont need to bash unions or tree huggers to prove a point.

Anyone who resorts to this should be feared as they are evil.

Fear those who call upon you to hate and fear someone else...they use this stategy for cementing their place above reasonable people.

alex

xelasnave · #35 18-10-2007, 09:35 AM

The reason why these types of threadsx get closed is because folk surcumb to hatred..you dont need hate in your life..get rid of hatred..
If there is one thing I take from the teachings of Jesus Christ is that we should..nay must..love our fellow man.
Compassion is a wonderful quality, the practice, giving to the user a peace above anything durgs or self serving selfish attitudes can come close to.
alex

fringe_dweller · #36 18-10-2007, 02:00 PM

lil' Johnny started it!

I am but just a humble reactionary, fighting fire with fire, not an idealogue fundamentalist!
they are making the rules! I have to play within their framework?

sooo does that mean i cant even hate collingwood!?

I have never been in a union voluntarily (or a member of any party), i was in the notorious BLF (remember those days?) for a while, as that was the only way to get the job i wanted, and I was never impressed with the uninterested self serving biker officials I encountered daily. And also I hated the musicians union with a passion once upon a time back in the 80's, they were an outrageous scam.
But unfortunately, I still think they are a neccassary evil in a modern egalatarian society. as leaving everything entirely up to market forces (ie put the fox in charge of the chickens) is just the flipside of rampant unionism - whatever happened to the centre based politics? i never thought i would see the conservatives become so radical! it used to be the left that was the radicals! lol
I feel sorry for all the small l liberals voters, they must be feeling set adrift

fringe_dweller · #37 18-10-2007, 02:28 PM

its all about JH being able to write on his tombstone
'here lies the mighty glorious leader the dragon slayer who killed the evil commie unions, and thereby removing the power base of the ALP, and taking us to a one party system, like the beloved asian 'democracies'. RIP

fringe_dweller · #38 18-10-2007, 02:38 PM

maybe they just call it the 'golden rule' party

as the old saying goes
'he who has the gold, makes the rules'

Karls48 (Karl) · #39 18-10-2007, 05:08 PM

If I find any “Mickey Mouse Party” on the ballot, I’m going to volte for it. They will not get anything done (as the rest of them) but at least it is going to be fun.

xelasnave · #40 18-10-2007, 06:10 PM

Well I feel my point as to one side hating the other and the relevance of class is lost.

I merely say this..anyone who calls upon you to hate another social strata should be regarded as evil... we are all in the one country..but presumably to say this will be seen as nationalistic and therefore maybe right wing..it has little to do with that..it is merely a way to regard other humans and have respect for what has made them as you would find them if you truly understood their motivations...it is not the basis of the religion upon which this country says it is based upon...

I say that irrespective of your beliefs in a supreme divine entity the teachings of the one who is presented as God in that religion tells us one thing above all other points raised..we should love our fellow man.. I do not believe in God or the Christian religions general premise but I feel that the commonality that is preached could be regarded as having merit..certainly it beats the proposition of hatred which is all I seek to identify and cast out....

but it is unfortunate if Mr Howard seeks to have us hate unions....those who rebel again unions have their reasons and I recognise bad practices have taken place..they have been in part in response to the bad practises they seek to avoid from the other side..

I think it is unfortunate if unions seek to have us hate those who engage in the enterprise that gives so many jobs... it is the individuals who in each group may be bad but to hate the class is wrong..very wrong as most folk are decent and honest...workers have taken advantage of bosses and bosses have taken advantage of workers but this should not be seized upon that a group can be hated for the actions on an individual.

Those who do bad should be cast out be they in a union or be they in a employers group...

Who here is not a worker and can not recognise that without Unions we would be little more than slaves... who here can not see that without free enterprise and the freedom of those with enterprise to prosper would leave us no better than an ant like society.

All I say is this..class hatred is a tool of the evil and should be regarded by all as something that does no good for any one except those calling upon us to hate another class to which they say we do not belong, there by presenting themselves as our saviour..when they are simply using hate to place themselves in positions of power.

Hatred and misunderstanding takes us to war.... why seize upon hatred to justify going to war for example when it has only to do with money and the chase for power of control...follow the money and you will see why someone asks us to hate another.

If you hate unions ask why..if you hate the boss ask why..are all that belong to each class so bad or is it an impression one has fallen to because of the more successful propaganda waged by one over the other.

There is good in everyone and yet there is this propensity to focus on a scape goat... not good.. this is most evil.

My uncle was killed by the Japanese and cruelly so..yet can I hold them all responsible...I bet if we faced another war there would be those who would dig this up... not nice digging in old wounds when all that will come is hate in response to a sad loss beyond control of those we would be now asked to hate...

Who has not had a bad experience with a union or with a boss... why pick upon such ..only to develop the hatred they seek to capitalise upon... evil just evil.

Can these folk profess to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ or do they follow Satan...

Love your fellow man means having respect for where he comes from and the pressures that cause him to act the way he does... try walking in someone else's shoes for a mile or two before you condemn him.

alex