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Old 09-10-2007, 08:35 PM
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Hi Ken. On my computer Envisage had created folders C:\Meade Images and \Darks automatically. I’m running Win XP Home edition.
The only things that I can think of that stop files from being saved:

Your DSI camera (colour) requires some different setting then my (mono) DSI Pro

Your computer has some other program installed on it that prevents Envisage saving files in specified folder.

Your commuter got some sort of hardware problem.

What I would do in your situation is to take ten 1second exposures with default name ( Deep Sky). When you click “Stop” you should see DeepSky1 (or 2,3,4…..) Tab on top of the image in the left corner. If you see Deep Sky1, well it is most likely that other images you took before are not anywhere on your computer. But if you see Deep Sky2 or higher number, your previous images should be somewhere on your computer.
Exit Envisage and use Window Explorer to look in default folder if the Deep Sky1 file is there. If it is not there, in Window Explorer click on “Search” , type Deep Sky1, Local Disc C: and let it search. If nothing is found – it has to be problem with your computer because Envisage is working on others people’s computers.
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Old 09-10-2007, 08:45 PM
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Thanks Karl, I give it a try
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Old 09-10-2007, 08:59 PM
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The fog settles around 9:30pm and I can finally see Octans (sort of) to do a GoTo alignment.
At least you can see Octans on a clear night - the light pollution is so bad here seeing Octans to use it for polar alignment is a dream...
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:01 PM
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Karl,

I just tried it.

I took 10 x 1 second images (no darks) and when I pressed stop (when it got to 10) the tab on the top of the image says 'Deep Sky 5'.

I did not click on 'save'. Last night I did and maybe that mucked it up
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:12 PM
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Ken it looks like we are going to have some fun sorting this out at snake valley if you dont have it sorted out by then
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:19 PM
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Well, have look in your Images folder if the Deep Sky5 is there. If it is there try couple more images DeepSky 6, 7 and see if they are saved. If they are saved, all is good and you are on your way to take more of great images.
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:29 PM
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At least you can see Octans on a clear night - the light pollution is so bad here seeing Octans to use it for polar alignment is a dream...
Stephen, not only can I see Octans easily, I also see the South Pole Star easily thru my Andrews 'Give Away' $10 Binoculars. Makes polar alignment simple.

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Old 09-10-2007, 09:33 PM
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Ken it looks like we are going to have some fun sorting this out at snake valley if you dont have it sorted out by then
Martin, I'm not dragging all this gear to camp. You'll have to come down here and help (a whole 2.5k from camp)

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Well, have look in your Images folder if the Deep Sky5 is there. If it is there try couple more images DeepSky 6, 7 and see if they are saved. If they are saved, all is good and you are on your way to take more of great images.
Karl, I'll go try right now.
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:55 PM
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Good news Karl,

I just took 50 x 1 second images. It is saved in C:\Meade Images

It is only noise coz the scope is still closed up in the observatory, but the final image of noise is a lot smoother than the 10 x 1 second image

Thank you very much. Now, do the darks automatically subtract?
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Old 09-10-2007, 10:06 PM
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Yes, they should if you check Dark Sub box. But, if the CCD temperature differs 5 degrees C from the temperature under which Darks were taken, Envisage will try to find set of Darks taken with temperature in that range. What will happen if it doesn’t find it, I don’t know. I may stop subtracting Darks.
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Old 09-10-2007, 10:11 PM
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OK, thanks.

I just tried a set of 6 x 2 second darks and 50 x 2 second lights.

I don't think it subtracted any darks. The image is extremely bright and noisy and there are no Darks in the file C:\Meade Images\Darks.
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Old 09-10-2007, 10:57 PM
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Here's what has just happened.

I opened the file C:\Meade Images\Darks and the darks are in there, but there are 13 of them and they won't open!!!

I named them 'Darks 2 deg 1 min' but in the file they are named from 'DSI 1 Dark 00 01.0_' thru the 13 of them to 'DSI 1 Dark 00 60.0_'

And each one is 976kb !

It says in properties that they open in Photoshop, but they don't. A window pops up in Photoshop saying 'This file cannot open, wrong type of file'.

I have also taken 2 more sets of darks and they aren't even in there at all
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:01 PM
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Ken, my previous post about Darks and temperature is wrong. It doesn’t work that way. But I just deleted all my Darks and made new set and they are in Meade Images/Darks directory. Then I took some Lights with Darks subtraction on and yes, they seem to be brighter and noisier. But also really bad hot pixels are ether smaller or disappeared completely. I think that you need to use histogram to see how the image will turn up after processing. I will have to read bit more about this
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:06 PM
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OK Karl, thanks.
Not an easy program to sort out is it?
It's suppose to be easy for 'beginners'.
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:21 PM
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Yeah, not easy. Just try this. Take pair of Light images with exactly same setting, except one image with Darks subtract and the other one without darks. Then adjust Histogram for the image taken with Darks Sub until all noise disappears. Then adjust the other image Histogram to same values. You will see the one taken without Darks still showing lot of noise.
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Old 09-10-2007, 11:48 PM
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Too late Karl,

I have already set up and taking images at the moment. With darks

I'm trying 47Tuc.
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Old 10-10-2007, 12:05 AM
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Stephen, not only can I see Octans easily, I also see the South Pole Star easily thru my Andrews 'Give Away' $10 Binoculars. Makes polar alignment simple.
I'll have to come up some time and enjoy your dark Snake Valley skies!
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Old 10-10-2007, 12:36 AM
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I'll have to come up some time and enjoy your dark Snake Valley skies!
You are welcome any time Stephen

You can come to my place any time,
or there are our SVAA Club Nights: http://snake-valley-astro.homelinux.org/news.html

and don't forget about our Astronomy Camp coming up in just over 4 weeks time: http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...ad.php?t=21559
Beautiful DARK sky! You might even go home with prizes
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