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Old 04-10-2007, 07:36 AM
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A mighty fine effort there Jase!

The galaxy itself has a nice full body feel to it and yep there is no substitute for focal length when it comes to imaging galaxies.

I assume that was Brad's scope again?

There is always that tossup between revealing the core structure and producing a "flatter" looking disk and keeping the core more bulbous and burned out. Both approaches have their proponents and each to their own as long as the core revealing doesn't look too unnatural or the burnout too strong and saturated.

I am sure you must be annoyed by the gradients and colour spekles remaining but the galaxy itself is really quite good. With such a small field and having imaged with no moon what do you think caused the gradients? Are the spekles from dithering problems again? I remember you had the same problem with the Helix shot done on Brad's beast. Are you noticing that after dark subtraction there are still hot pixels remaining that don't correspond between subs so when conbined you end up with coloured pixels all over the image?

My ProLine had this issue initially and thus dithering the subs and median combining them was the only way around it. A reload of new firmware in the camera, courtesy of FLI, has fixed the problem though and now I don't need to dither guide anymore and simply summing or "adding" the undithered subs shows very few residual rougue unmatched pixels remaining, After dark subtraction, it's now almost as good as my SXV-H9 with its silky smooth Sony chip . Aparently my KAI11K chip had been incorrectly "clocked" and dark current was leaking out over time producing variations in hot pixel maps from sub to sub? All cured now though.

Very nice work again

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Old 04-10-2007, 08:43 AM
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Hey Mike, thanks!
Yes, acquired using Brad’s scope. Remote imaging – got to love it. It opens up many possibilities. Just compile the imaging plan, upload it, and then get some sleep. Planning and image processing is the fun part. IMO, acquiring the data is rather mundane/routine.

Indeed, there is always a trade off between highlighting the spiral structure and not burning out the core. DDP does a reasonable job, but I usually don't stretch to final levels using DDP. I’ll only stretch to say 60%, and then finish off with curves in photoshop. This makes it easier to manage the colours in a phased approach. I typically go with a core size similar to that of the largest star in the frame for aesthetics; however there are some exceptions with this if the galaxy core is quite diffused.

I got tired of imaging cleaning. I really could have chased them further to remove more speckles. Brad has recently redone the calibration frames which I’ve noticed a significant improvement, but still not perfect. Plenty of hot/dead pixels present making for some heavy work. RC Console cleaned quite a few with a 20% threshold, may have cleaned it better with a different value. I left ACP dithering as default – didn’t tweak it further in fear of losing the guide star on the tiny ST237 chip. I’m getting use to ACP’s style of imaging as I’m also using it for remote operation in my own observatory. A couple of sub frames weren’t guided correctly, but I included them in the combine routine. After blinking the images straight after registration, the error appeared random so the combine routine removed the outlier pixels.

Not entirely sure about the gradient source. The RC12.5 of Brad’s doesn’t have the “shorty” light shroud around the primary (this may have changed). I’m also not aware of local light pollution sources at the remote observatory site (in SA) – Fred will know. Could be a combination of things.

Interesting to hear about the dark current leaks. This would have a detrimental effect. Regardless of the scope/camera combination, I always dither – even if using a class 1 chip. I don’t know of a more effective way to remove a dead column unless of course you want to build a pixel map of the chip. The downside of using a map is its static and may not represent the current pixel correctness. i.e. some pixels die over time. I'm open to suggestions.

Thanks for your comments.

EDIT: I should also add, that one night, the weather was quite warm at the remote location and the chip couldn't be cooled to the set point of -15. This did not help the situation in controlling noise! Perhaps, need to persuade Brad to get an FLI.

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Old 04-10-2007, 11:27 AM
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Wow, superb image!
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Old 04-10-2007, 03:52 PM
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Gee the big chip camera and telescope sure bring out the detail.
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Old 05-10-2007, 06:48 AM
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Wow, superb image!
Cheers Dr. Nick. Pleased you liked it.

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Gee the big chip camera and telescope sure bring out the detail.
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Thanks Scott. Yes, the two components help. Though, image processing played the key part.
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