This conspiracy theory is soooo way out!!!! - Page 2

Ingo · #21 23-08-2007, 05:48 PM

The thing about lazar in this...he says they use Ununpentium, element 115. Element 115 has a half life of only a few milliseconds, which then it decays to natural elements.

I found this too:
http://www.borba.com/images/moon/cop...-106frames.jpg

What is that in the middle?

KenGee (Kenith Gee) · #22 23-08-2007, 09:19 PM

Oh come This is complete trash. If you give this more then a passing glance I've got some bay side land with great views for sale! I really can not believe how easy it is to suck people into believing something like this. Often you can see this comes from ignorant yanks who think that only they can do this stuff. That no other coutry can do some very basic test to prove or disprove this guys claims. It’s scary really that most people can not apply some basic logical thought to see this is crap. That fact that this is being posted on a science based site makes me even more sad.

joe_smith · #23 24-08-2007, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KenGee

Oh come This is complete trash. If you give this more then a passing glance I've got some bay side land with great views for sale! I really can not believe how easy it is to suck people into believing something like this. Often you can see this comes from ignorant yanks who think that only they can do this stuff. That no other coutry can do some very basic test to prove or disprove this guys claims. It’s scary really that most people can not apply some basic logical thought to see this is crap. That fact that this is being posted on a science based site makes me even more sad.

It maybe silly to some for me he is given out misinformation, but what if............ do you base your science on what you are told or do you look at all sides of the story. To me ignorance is a closed mind. We have only been technological advanced for about 200 years and already some of us think we have unlocked all of the solar systems 4.6 billion year old history. Hey They don't even really know how the great pyramid was built. Most people blindly believe they rolled the cut stone blocks about 500 miles away to the construction site on logs. In Egypt near Khafres pyramid there is a stone block that weighs 468 tons. and if you think that stone block is big then check this link out.

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/top5...tm#otp50stones

If there was an ancient technological advanced race here on earth couldn't they have been to the moon as well ?? What about the history of Mars. If life could form here on earth, and Mars could of have water at one time couldn't life also start there, and being smaller than earth is it not possible that life started there long before it started on earth. Unforchantly there are a lot of unanswered questions or the answers we are told don't add up. Just say if they did find an ancient structure on the moon how would the general puplic here on earth take it? Religion and science is a powerful movement what would happen if that foundation came crashing down because of it. Wouldn't that be reason enough to lie, give out misinformation and cover things up that may not be in our or more importantly there best interests. If you believe that todays science explains it all then I find that sad...........

Ingo · #24 24-08-2007, 07:55 AM

I'm not too sure about life on other planets. We have volcanos, antarctica, the north pole. Bacteria doesn't live there because it's too hot, or too cold. Now, not to say the bacteria has different atomic building blocks than us which allows it to adapt to those conditions, but venus being up in the 800F surface temperature...breaks down just about any compounds. It's the simplistics of life that you have to think about. You have to crawl before you can walk, walk before you can run.

Also Lear's discussion of the anti-gravity propulsion system is false. He says the USA had 500lbs of Ununpentium, Element number 115, in discs that they transported from different bases. Ununpentium has a half life of a few milliseconds until it drops down to a natural element, how could they possibly have it in discs?

I have no doubt the government & black ops have this technology to zip throughout the universe/solar system, but it does not use Ununpentium & Ununhexium to create antimatter.

joe_smith · #25 24-08-2007, 02:23 PM

I'm not saying life is there now as I very much doubt there is life there now. What I am saying is life in the past, millions of years ago may of existed. As I stated before I think our knowledge of the early history of the planets is very far from complete.

I think Lear is an agent for misinformation and very good at it. He starts of with some basic fact that some people have good evidence for, for example NASA airbrushing moon shots is true and in the video "Was it only a paper moon" they talk to the lady that did the airbrushing for them!!!! He then puts this known fact out in a way that makes the whole idea sound so ridiculous as to discourage the average person from it, and attract bigger nut cases blindly joining him spreading his word of misinformation.

csb (Craig) · #26 24-08-2007, 02:41 PM

Clever ingenious & ingenuine people.

I wonder what they say to their families - 'This can make $$' or 'This is all true'.

Are they continually boring them with their knowledge of things as they "really" are?

joe_smith · #27 24-08-2007, 04:53 PM

Here is a small video about airbrushing moon images and a bit of text from a web page about it. (http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/airbrush.htm) If there is nothing on the moon WHY airbrush anything out of the images!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rt7mnz4J5E

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During The Disclosure Project press conference, former NASA employee, Donna Hare, revealed how NASA managed to cover up and erase anomalies such as UFOs from satellite photos. She was a female slide technician and received numerous space awards including 1969 Apollo Achievement award from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, 1973 Skylab award, a medallion for success on the Skylab-Suez Test project. Other awards for her skill as a technical Artist includes a 1994 recommendation by Texas Governor Ann Richards to the Advisory Committee of Psychology Associates.

Donna Hare (formerly (Tietze) has spent most of her professional life involved in the Space Program as a technical illustrator. She drew lunar maps, landing slides and worked in the photo lab, Precision Slide Lab. Her job was to reduce art work to one inch by one inch drawings. She drew launch sites, landing sites and was employed as a sub-contractor to NASA for over 15 years. She worked on flight manuals for astronauts and has the wonderful ability to put words into images but uniquely, learn to do everything backwards, including mathematical computations, the writing of words, to put it simply, this woman has seen just about all the different kinds of images one could see that are used in Space Programs today.

Sergeant Karl Wolfe, is another witness who has come forward to reveal that he also saw NASA photos being altered to erase anomalies on the Moons surface which were filmed from the Lunar Orbiter. He was asked to visit an area of Langley Air Force Base, where he viewed 35mm film images being processed by NSA agents. He claims that he saw 35mm strips of film which were spliced together to make 18 1/2" x 11" mosaics of the lunar surface for release to the general public. An officer told him that there was a Moon base on the dark side of the Moon and that it was they're job to erase them out. The film above includes interviews and photo examples where NASA have erased evidence from the Moon photographs.

taminga16 (Greg) · #28 24-08-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ingo

Sinus Medii:
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7...iir110wdb8.jpg

Where's this big cube & tripod 7 miles high?

So, how do they clean it and who delivers the Windex?

KenGee (Kenith Gee) · #29 24-08-2007, 08:18 PM

Joe_smith Like I said try using some brain power, I don't think we know everything there is to know far from it but most of us have got past believing in fairies. Why is it only NASA can do these things or are all the worlds governments in on it, or at least the ones that have got the tech. As for there being intelligent beings millions of years ago. Well why not rule out the probable before jumping to the improbable? The universe is interesting enough with out having make stuff up or come up with outlandish ideas on the shakiness evidence.

wasyoungonce (Brendan) · #30 24-08-2007, 09:10 PM

Ahhh classic:
http://www.webelements.com/webelemen...t/Uup/key.html

Decay series depends upon the Isotope of the element involved however basic chemistry info shows the isotopes involved:

288Uup and 287Uup

However as the article states..only a few atoms of the element have ever been made and as said before they are only stable for milli seconds.

I luv a classic conspiracy story and this ain't one!

xelasnave · #31 24-08-2007, 09:17 PM

There is a propensity for many humans to want to believe the unbelievable... and there are humans who cash in on this.. attention or cash is their reward... fiction pays well.
alex

joe_smith · #32 25-08-2007, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by KenGee

Joe_smith Like I said try using some brain power, I don't think we know everything there is to know far from it but most of us have got past believing in fairies. Why is it only NASA can do these things or are all the worlds governments in on it, or at least the ones that have got the tech. As for there being intelligent beings millions of years ago. Well why not rule out the probable before jumping to the improbable? The universe is interesting enough with out having make stuff up or come up with outlandish ideas on the shakiness evidence.

Hmmmm I don't remember talking about fairy's.............. I do use my brain power thats why I am having this debate in this thread.

NASA can do the things they do because they are the only ones that have been there and know the truth. If NASA sent 6 tin cans with people in them to the moon in the 60-70's and safely back home, Why hasn't Russia or China? Why is it now a big deal that NASA wants to send some more people to the moon. Whats the problem they have the technology to do it because they have done it 6 times already. Whats really stopping them???

Why couldn't there have been an ancient intelligent race of beings thousands (or even millions) of years ago, we got a so called intelligent race here now, so that kind of proves the earth can support life. Plus there is a lot of evidence they had to be smart. We need powerful machines to build our massive structures, they used logs and chisels to build theirs and some of their structures are just as big as ours.

Its hard for people to accept a different point of view that goes against there own beliefs and whats been taught to them. Maybe if we were having a debate back in Galileo's day I would be the one with outlandish ideas that a man said "The sun is at the center, and we go around it along with other planets" Quoting his shakiness evidence. But what did the powers to be do when they knew what he said was true and not in there interests.......... They lied and covered up the truth, seems like history dose repeat it self after all.

Tannehill · #33 25-08-2007, 08:35 AM

As it relates to this prospect of a long standing conspiracy by a huge organization in the era of mobile phones, email, photocopy machines, and the Internet:

1) NASA can't keep its orbiter pilots sober.

2) NASA can't keep crazy people out of the astronaut program: that woman who tried to kill her rival for another astronaut's love, even though he wasn't interested in the first place, and who drove across country in a diaper so she wouldn't have to stop to pee. Which is more indicative of craziness, I don't know.

3) The U.S. President (the prior, smart and politically savvy one, not the less-than-thoughtful and impenetrably ideological one we have now) who is arguably someone who should have some privacy in his inner sanctum, couldn't even have a cigar and a quiet moment with a nice young intern

without it hitting the media within months.

Given these simple facts, do you really think anything juicy could be kept secret for more than, oh, I dunno, maybe 15 minutes? With all those young journalists trying to make a name for themselves?

And if you think all of the above is just clever maneuvering to make you THINK we're not able to keep secrets OR if you think the entire media is part of aforementioned conspiracy theory, then you have just created another conspiracy theory an order of magnitude larger and more improbable to explain your already impressively improbable predecessor theory.

Always fun to read these sort of topics, but no one should expect anyone to be swayed from their a priori belief. Conspiracy theorism, like many cultural attributes, is a tribal thing, and will always be with us. As will, thankfully, scientific-method toting skeptics.

Cheers,

Scott

xelasnave · #34 25-08-2007, 09:34 AM

Scott...
Would you not turn to drink if you had to keep so many strange secrets???

Thanks it is all so clear now

alex

Tannehill · #35 25-08-2007, 09:58 AM

Good point. Then again, if I were an orbiter pilot, if I was to turn to drink, it would probably be from worrying about a) that darn foam insulation, and b) thermal tiles.

scott

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #36 25-08-2007, 05:24 PM

One major thing both sides have in thier favour is "go up there, have a look around and prove me wrong". They both know we can't visit space, witness the truth ourselves and prove them right or wrong.

If there is all sorts of secret stuff going on in space (there's plenty of it going on down here) how are you and I going to go up there and catch NASA at it.

On the other hand, John Lear also knows we can't just pop up there and see for ourselves. So he can say what he likes, no matter how outlandish, and there's nothing we can do to investigate his theory 'on site'. He can make it sound all scientific, get others to support him, and use his notoriety to back himself up. But in the end, he knows we can't visit space and prove him wrong.

I might have to dig the miniature chip out of my body though.
Damn thing keeps affecting the TV reception

taminga16 (Greg) · #37 25-08-2007, 05:46 PM

Money helps with outlandish theories like this one, remember the smoking lobbies pro (PAID) medical experts!

Greg.

kitty · #38 25-08-2007, 06:57 PM

the life on Mars and the moon thing is a little far fetched...but the 9/11 and Pentagon theory makes me think.

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #39 25-08-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kitty

the life on Mars and the moon thing is a little far fetched...but the 9/11 and Pentagon theory makes me think.

Kitty,

He isn't just saying there is life on Mars and the Moon. He is saying there are millions of human-like residents on each and every planet in the solar system!!!!!!

Obviously the ones on Mercury have a massive air-conditioning system, and the ones on Pluto have a giant heater

joe_smith · #40 25-08-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kitty

the life on Mars and the moon thing is a little far fetched...but the 9/11 and Pentagon theory makes me think.

Life not as of now, but mars may of had life a long, long time ago. I mean life on the moon as in like the Apollo astronauts visiting the place, not as moon people walking around the moon wondering if there life on Earth

9/11...... well there is lots of evidence to say something is wrong with what they say did happen. But hey we must all be wrong because the US government says its not true, so it must be true because they would never lie would they