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Old 07-07-2007, 10:24 PM
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thats strange ken, i wouldnt have expected an IR cut filter to turn the images blue? then again, i guess i have no idea what im doing lol.
Ditto TJ.
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Old 07-07-2007, 10:30 PM
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curious Ken, what is the better result for you, with or without?
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Old 07-07-2007, 10:35 PM
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curious Ken, what is the better result for you, with or without?
Houghy, I find the stars in the IR Cut images just a tad sharper than the Toucam filter images, but not by much.

The 'No Filter' images really have stunning nebula, but horrid stars, so I'd say I'd go with the little Toucam Filter. It would be nice if I could get the natural colours (or any colours!) with the IR filter. Maybe there's something I'm doing wrong, or the Toucam filter is balanced to the Toucam chip
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Old 07-07-2007, 11:14 PM
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I just had a thought!!!! (I know, hard for me ),

Maybe IR filters are only meant to be used on Monochrome Chips!

Correct me if I am wrong

Image 1. Toucam Filter converted to Greyscale

Image 2. IR Cut Filter converted to Greyscale

They look identical to me! The Toucam Filter is slightly brighter in the nebula, but the stars are the same.
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Old 07-07-2007, 11:22 PM
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i just edited all your pics to greyscale and was about to post the same thing lol
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Old 07-07-2007, 11:27 PM
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i just edited all your pics to greyscale and was about to post the same thing lol


It pays to Google!!!!!

Look what I just found on a site about using IR filters with CCD chips:

Is there such a thing as a Color IR Filter? No. Visible light goes from violet at 350nm to red at 780nm. Color doesn't exist for humans or the camera in IR which is over 780nm. The camera only sees Black & White in the IR region. The closest thing to color is some of the $10,000 heat sensitive, cooled cameras which re-map the IR information into the color range.


And this statement (except in my case it's BLUE):

How come my camera shows a green picture if IR is Black & White? Because Sony thinks it looks better. Green is in the middle of the color range.

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Old 07-07-2007, 11:44 PM
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i dont see how though, isnt the idea of the IR cut filter to block IR and let everything else through normally?
if you hold the filter up to a light does it look blue? if not then its something funky with the toucam
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Old 07-07-2007, 11:48 PM
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Everything looks the same colour through the IR filter, lights, daylight etc.

But the little Toucam one is a light yellow colour so It must be matched perfectly to the chip.

And if the experts say the IR filter won't show colour, then they must be right.

Further reading on the net has just told me that Sony Chips are 'Near Infra-Red'. not full Infra-Red. Must make a difference.
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