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Old 10-10-2021, 08:09 PM
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Yes many risks and also -

there are new tricks that can be used now such as low melting point solder
especially designed to remove chips at much safer lower temperatures.
However in this video Dave still managed to dislodge some pads
although that wouldn't matter if the chip was being used on another PCB.


During my time in the RAAF and my posting to 481SQN Workshop, at a time when the Military was self sufficient .. to a degree and maintenance was not overly contracted out, I was lucky enough to get on a Micro-Miniature Component Repair (MMCR) Course. It involved 2 weeks practical training in the repair of Multi-Layered Circuit Boards under a Microscope. Excavating down layers to repair a broken track. The most technically challenging course I had ever completed. It gave me an appreciation of the challenges of electronic repair. Eventually that method of repair was discarded as being too labour intensive for the gains. So they simply got a new board and repopulated.
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Old 10-10-2021, 08:49 PM
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During my time in the RAAF and my posting to 481SQN Workshop, at a time when the Military was self sufficient .. to a degree and maintenance was not overly contracted out, I was lucky enough to get on a Micro-Miniature Component Repair (MMCR) Course. It involved 2 weeks practical training in the repair of Multi-Layered Circuit Boards under a Microscope. Excavating down layers to repair a broken track. The most technically challenging course I had ever completed. It gave me an appreciation of the challenges of electronic repair. Eventually that method of repair was discarded as being too labour intensive for the gains. So they simply got a new board and repopulated.



I've done courses like that.
A lot of chips now are BGA type. Ball Grid Array.
They are difficult to replace and you really need a heat chamber
where you can ramp up the temperature
in a controlled fashion for manufacturing but
for repair you take your chances.
You need an X-Ray machine to check it all afterwards but
even then the warranty returns can be too high to make it viable.
A lot of stuff was not made to be repaired.


see here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdvvk0NdAy0

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Old 11-10-2021, 02:16 AM
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Take a look at the latest iPhone 13? & all the little "snags" that "they"
have included to stop anyone from repairing them.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s7NmMl_-yg

I believe "they" even "tagged" the ribbon/sensor cables or plugs....?
(See around 13 Mins or so...)
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Old 11-10-2021, 09:38 AM
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Take a look at the latest iPhone 13? & all the little "snags" that "they"
have included to stop anyone from repairing them.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s7NmMl_-yg

I believe "they" even "tagged" the ribbon/sensor cables or plugs....?
(See around 13 Mins or so...)



Thanks for that video.
It's almost criminal that Apple have deliberately made
it impossible for anyone except them to replace the main parts.
I hope the European Union fines them.
Australia won't and neither will the USA -
we allow them to get away with this behaviour.
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