Classified UFO videos released by the US

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by julianh72

That's not a helicopter - that's a UFO which is "cloaked" so as to resemble a helicopter when viewed from a distance. If you were closer, the cloaking would be less convincing, and you would have seen a fuzzy vaguely saucer-shaped object, but their technology would have ensured you would not be able to get a sharp picture.

Hmm. Interesting topic. I once lived on a ranch in the high country in Nevada. It was pretty dark out there and consequently great for astro. It was also a favoured place for yankees flying stealth fighters and high tech choppers in the evening. This was BEFORE they were officially acknowledged by the govt. When a chopper comes flying towards you in the dusk and then goes pretty damn dead silent... you start to understand "sightings" a bit more.

If you apply scientific principles, the likelihood of E.T. existing is pretty much a sure thing.

So, its just plain ignorant to dismiss claims out of hand. History is resplendent with examples of theories that have been scoffed at... that turned out to be spot on... be careful.

[redbeard (Damien)]

Originally Posted by Exfso

Damien, was not referring to you mate. Yeah this sort of post is expected to get all sorts of responses, but out and out sarcasm is not warranted in my opinion. Maybe I am getting too old in an open forum I believe we are all entitled to an opinion, lets face it, that is why we post.

Hi Peter,

All good, I didn't think you were. Just having a little fun because of the topic.
I agree, less sarcasm is always good but tongue in cheek is fine in my book.

Cheers,
Damien.

[Exfso (Peter)]

Originally Posted by el_draco

Hmm. Interesting topic. I once lived on a ranch in the high country in Nevada. It was pretty dark out there and consequently great for astro. It was also a favoured place for yankees flying stealth fighters and high tech choppers in the evening. This was BEFORE they were officially acknowledged by the govt. When a chopper comes flying towards you in the dusk and then goes pretty damn dead silent... you start to understand "sightings" a bit more.

If you apply scientific principles, the likelihood of E.T. existing is pretty much a sure thing.

So, its just plain ignorant to dismiss claims out of hand. History is resplendent with examples of theories that have been scoffed at... that turned out to be spot on... be careful.

I was in the aviation game for 30 years, and some of the things I experienced were pretty damn hard to explain. Spoke to a lot of pilots that were scared witless with unexplained encounters, and even military ATC with unexplained paints on their screens of objects doing phenomenal speeds and changes of direction.
A mate of mine who was a commercial pilot had a really bad experience flying a twin engine aircraft back from Leigh Creek it was around midnight, no moon at all and all of a sudden he had this object keeping pace with him, until Port Augusta where it disappeared as quickly as it appeared. This guy had in excess of 20,000hrs, so obviously he had been flying for many years, it literally scared the crap out of him.
When I was working air radio in Sydney in the early 70's, I was communicating with a British Airways flight out of Sydney for Nadi from memory and the pilot called me up to ask for traffic. I checked with ATC and was advised of no traffic, and relayed it to the pilot, he advised he had what appeared to be a silver disc shaped object in front of him maintaining the same heading and altitude. This was daytime, so no stars/moon involved and definitely not a weather balloon doing the same speed as he was. There were no clouds either, so I asked if he wished to submit a formal report, and his response was, "negative" and left it at that. Pretty hard to explain when a BA Captain has an issue like this..

[N1 (Mirko)]

Originally Posted by Exfso

I was in the aviation game for 30 years, and some of the things I experienced were pretty damn hard to explain. Spoke to a lot of pilots that were scared witless with unexplained encounters, and even military ATC with unexplained paints on their screens of objects doing phenomenal speeds and changes of direction.
A mate of mine who was a commercial pilot had a really bad experience flying a twin engine aircraft back from Leigh Creek it was around midnight, no moon at all and all of a sudden he had this object keeping pace with him, until Port Augusta where it disappeared as quickly as it appeared. This guy had in excess of 20,000hrs, so obviously he had been flying for many years, it literally scared the crap out of him.
When I was working air radio in Sydney in the early 70's, I was communicating with a British Airways flight out of Sydney for Nadi from memory and the pilot called me up to ask for traffic. I checked with ATC and was advised of no traffic, and relayed it to the pilot, he advised he had what appeared to be a silver disc shaped object in front of him maintaining the same heading and altitude. This was daytime, so no stars/moon involved and definitely not a weather balloon doing the same speed as he was. There were no clouds either, so I asked if he wished to submit a formal report, and his response was, "negative" and left it at that. Pretty hard to explain when a BA Captain has an issue like this..

Sometimes it's not training or experience that determines the credibility of an observer, but how they deal with situations they have not encountered before. The skills required for that don't necessarily have anything to do with flying an aircraft. And if someone is scared "witless" while making an observation, you can hardly expect that observation to be of a standard that allows such profound conclusions as "it must be alien activity" or something along those lines.

[AussieTrooper (Ben)]

Originally Posted by PeterM

Show Me The Smart Phone Pictures!!

Yep. Been saying this for a while now.
Based on the fact that at any one time there are hundreds of millions of video cameras ready to go, there should have been a corresponding massive increase in the number of UFO footage captures. "Abductions" would be captured on everything from surf cams, home cctv to baby monitors.
Our skies are saturated with aircraft compared to when this whole thing seemed to take off in the 1950s.

Yet it hasn't happened. Did Apple scare the nasty aliens away?

[AussieTrooper (Ben)]

Originally Posted by el_draco

If you apply scientific principles, the likelihood of E.T. existing is pretty much a sure thing.

Some form of life form out there is highly likely. The chances of it ever coming here are near zero.
I'm not going to set probabilities for each of these and have them picked over, but do your own estimates for the probabilities of each of these, and let the maths decide the outcome.

You need:
A star that stays stable for billions of years.
A planet in the goldilocks zone.
Planet must have a solid surface.
Planet must have cooled since formation.
An atmosphere thick enough to protect from radiation, but thin enough not to 'cook' the surface.
That planet has suitable amounts of water.
No sterilizing asteroid strikes.
No nearby supernova.
(I'm sure there are plenty more).

Now, with all of this, after 5 billion years, we have on earth, just one species capable of communications for about 100 years, and short distance space travel for half of that.
This species must have a desire to travel and communicate into space.
It must not wipe itself out.
It would have to find out that we are here (a fact that only travels outwards at the speed of light) they react, and travel here whilst we are still around.

Now that's a pretty rough set of parameters, but multiply up all those probabilities, and the chances of two civilizations being around at the same time, close enough to make contact, both with the ability and intention to do this is near zero.

I'd say that it is very likely something like bacteria is out there, but anything more than that, we are never likely to encounter.

[jenchris (Jennifer)]

Ben.
Or that they seeded every planet with a goldilocks status with a signal device that activated when radio signals were evident.
This then attracts interest by other civilisations who all converse on a different dimensional comms system and broadcast the news of a new planet for the federation to induct.
They're only waiting for us to become peaceful - which in the scheme of things may only be a few hundred years.

[jenchris (Jennifer)]

Of course the above doesn't explain the alien activity as mentioned in the Muhabarata or in London after waterloo (iirc)

[csb (Craig)]

Very interesting observation that UFO sightings have diminished with abundance of phone cameras. And Peter, your practical demonstration with the helicopter photo makes a valid point.

Has anyone heard of the Great Filter theory. It certainly raises good argument of why we may never be visited by UFO's. Link is from our ABC:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-0...06?pfmredir=sm

[AussieTrooper (Ben)]

Originally Posted by jenchris

Ben.
Or that they seeded every planet with a goldilocks status with a signal device that activated when radio signals were evident.
This then attracts interest by other civilisations who all converse on a different dimensional comms system and broadcast the news of a new planet for the federation to induct.
They're only waiting for us to become peaceful - which in the scheme of things may only be a few hundred years.

That's actually an interesting theoretical concept.
The only flaw I see, is that by the time this 'activated' and the travel time of the signal, the civilisation that put it there might not be around any more.
Might make a good foundation for a sci-fi novel.
- Alien race monitors evolution of planets across the galaxy. Once suitably pacified and technologically advanced, they are enslaved/become vassal states. Then the rebellion begins...

[sharpiel]

Originally Posted by AussieTrooper

Some form of life form out there is highly likely. The chances of it ever coming here are near zero.
I'm not going to set probabilities for each of these and have them picked over, but do your own estimates for the probabilities of each of these, and let the maths decide the outcome.

You need:
A star that stays stable for billions of years.
A planet in the goldilocks zone.
Planet must have a solid surface.
Planet must have cooled since formation.
An atmosphere thick enough to protect from radiation, but thin enough not to 'cook' the surface.
That planet has suitable amounts of water.
No sterilizing asteroid strikes.
No nearby supernova.
(I'm sure there are plenty more).

Now, with all of this, after 5 billion years, we have on earth, just one species capable of communications for about 100 years, and short distance space travel for half of that.
This species must have a desire to travel and communicate into space.
It must not wipe itself out.
It would have to find out that we are here (a fact that only travels outwards at the speed of light) they react, and travel here whilst we are still around.

Now that's a pretty rough set of parameters, but multiply up all those probabilities, and the chances of two civilizations being around at the same time, close enough to make contact, both with the ability and intention to do this is near zero.

I'd say that it is very likely something like bacteria is out there, but anything more than that, we are never likely to encounter.

Not a scientist by any means but I wonder if some of the criteria needed under "You need" may only be needed for life as we know it (Jim)..?

For instance:

"A star that stays stable for billions of years.
A planet in the goldilocks zone.
Planet must have a solid surface.
Planet must have cooled since formation.
An atmosphere thick enough to protect from radiation, but thin enough not to 'cook' the surface.
That planet has suitable amounts of water."

These parameters are valid for human and I'm sure many forms of life. But even life on Earth constantly amazes us with its ability to thrive in (previous to discovery) environments considered uninhabitable.

I wonder, even given the challenges listed above, whether life mightn't find a way to become adaptable in some alien way...

[xelasnave]

I think it would be funny if the Mars Rover falls down a vent to show an underground civilization driven under ground many thousands of years ago because of the way they stuffed up the place.

alex

[Ric]

Interesting scenario Alex.

That would be a classic if it did happen.

I'm still waiting for my visit, I have the perfect scenario.

Live in the bush
No one around for miles
No lights to scare them away

And I'll have my camera ready with no blurred photo's.

[Slawomir (Suavi)]

Interesting topic, to say the least.

IMO searching for a radio signal coming from extraterrestrial life is a mistake, because it assumes radio transmission is the most advanced and fastest way of communicating possible, and we know at it is inadequate for transimiting information over cosmic distances. There must a be a better way of communication that we have not discovered yet, so we might be as deaf to civilisations talking to each other as would be a tribe relaying on sound waves be unaware of microwave and satellite communication.

For example, I could imagine that a spaceship could potentially exploit principles similar in nature to entanglement to communicate with its headquarters on the planet of origin or with other spaceships, bypassing slow radio transmission altogether.

[pmrid (Peter)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

I think it would be funny if the Mars Rover falls down a vent to show an underground civilization driven under ground many thousands of years ago because of the way they stuffed up the place.

alex

Alex you read too much Stephen Baxter.

Peter

[jenchris (Jennifer)]

Ben.
Any comms would be as instantaneous as the travel or better.

[astronobob (Bob)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

I think it would be funny if the Mars Rover falls down a vent to show an underground civilization driven under ground many thousands of years ago because of the way they stuffed up the place.

alex

I cant help myself Alex The Bad news is, 'they would have to eat rock's' -
The good news is 'That there is plenty of them'

[KG8]

Originally Posted by Exfso

What is with the sarcasm Mike, only posting what has been shown on the news.. When these sort of clips come up on Youtube, yep I would probably be saying the same, but this is reported as being a released previously classified video, so it may have merit, what is wrong with keeping an open mind instead of sh!t canning it.

lots of religious and political stories appear in the news as well but we avoid them as a general rule because of the contention they cause. i would classify UFO's in the same general category, a belief system that has it's "true believers" and those that believe it's a crock.

Some subjects are simply best not discussed in open forums where they cause obvious division.

[bigjoe (JOSEPH)]

Originally Posted by KG8

lots of religious and political stories appear in the news as well but we avoid them as a general rule because of the contention they cause. i would classify UFO's in the same general category, a belief system that has it's "true believers" and those that believe it's a crock.

Some subjects are simply best not discussed in open forums where they cause obvious division.

Well said.
bigjoe.

[Visionary (David)]

Originally Posted by Slawomir

Interesting topic, to say the least.

IMO searching for a radio signal coming from extraterrestrial life is a mistake, because it assumes radio transmission is the most advanced and fastest way of communicating possible, and we know at it is inadequate for transimiting information over cosmic distances. There must a be a better way of communication that we have not discovered yet, so we might be as deaf to civilisations talking to each other as would be a tribe relaying on sound waves be unaware of microwave and satellite communication.

For example, I could imagine that a spaceship could potentially exploit principles similar in nature to entanglement to communicate with its headquarters on the planet of origin or with other spaceships, bypassing slow radio transmission altogether.

It was a disappointment to learn that even gravity waves weren't immune to strictures of General Relativity. Fingers crossed for entanglement or the like for across cosmic distances light is a slowpoke.