X files and UFO's

[Argonavis (William)]

Originally Posted by nightstalker

Our own kind starve to death in the millions despite the planet produceing
enough to feed them all

This is more due to the nature of the more odious governments and ideologies around the world than to any actual shortage of food.

Originally Posted by nightstalker

a big part of our history is "still" devoted to
finding more creative ways to lob gunpowder at each other ?.
Our time here is no more than a blink of an eye away from its savage and primitive beginnings ,

Most societies devote most of their resources to devising better methods of killing each other (we call it defence), and our collective appalling behaviour towards each other can only be explained by the fact that we are at the top of the food chain, and co-operation outside of a small group is counterproductive.

Originally Posted by nightstalker

I hope if by the smallest of chances another race happens to stumble across us ... that ..they run like hell the other
way asap

Much like that Mel Gibson movie, I think that we will be the ones that should start running. Our species would have to be the most available and easily caught protein around, and even if they didn't want to eat us, our own history tells us what happens when an advanced culture settles amongst a more primitive one.

[xelasnave]

Yes and very efficient with their energy each creature proposed
alex

[astromark]

Sitting at home with nothing better to do brought me to these pages of chats and the want to respond is just to much for a lad with the flue.....So to revive this subject I will attempt...
Over a year ago while just getting the last of the public on there way home we were about to close up the dome and shut down the old girl for the night when a little unease came over us.. Yes, we saw we knew not what? As I read the above posts a familiar point was triggered. It was the obscuring of the stars above that drew our attention. A slow moving massive object. Absolute silence and a very Erie Grey tone of opaque obscured the background stars as it moved silently across our open observatory doors. Then a clue was seen. It changed direction at first slowly and then with some speed as it went through 90deg. Still in silence and then all was made clear.... Racing pigeons. A flock of 25-30 birds flying in close formation. It was enough to make what little hair I have be upstanding... The flock of birds came into the car park area and were now easily visible as pigeons looking for cars to poo on.
The unease this incident coursed us was alarming and I/we have pledged not to ridicule any reported sighting ever... Very pleased they did not land and assimilate us into their colective....
I to agree with the obvious statements of those who sagest that we can not be alone.... but with a huge emphases on that BUT... The time line that has brought the human race to this point has been interrupted and tampered with by many events. some life threatening while others just changed the rules of play... Could we be the only intelligent life form in this whole Galaxy at this time... yes and No. I do wish I knew the answer to this with absolute certainty. But I may never. We might just have to face the fact that due to the shear size of the distances involved here and the time line we seem to be stuck with. The answer is a big fat zero.

[avandonk]

I am sure all my ex wives were aliens and they most probably think the same of me!

A slow moving dark object in the non light polluted desert blocking out the stars is called a cloud!

Ask the Aboriginals of every continent what happens when the aliens with 'more advanced technology' turn up. They steal your resources and kill you if you object!

Bert

[xelasnave]

Funny Bert I saw War of the Worlds (Tom Cruise /S Speilberg version) in the dvd cabinet last night so put it on the Lappy by the bed to nod off to...had read H.G.Wells original version (I got it for topping the trial leaving in general science, was my most valued thing but lost it in the fire)....I could not help but think we act in the manner they portrayed the "aliens" towards everything already here yet no one sees it or thinks we are bad...the way they would see the aliens in the movie... we treat everything with the same lack of respect as those creatures did... maybe that was the message of the movie.. anyways no bad dreams.
alex

[Sgtfretsurfer]

Originally Posted by astromark

Could we be the only intelligent life form in this whole Galaxy at this time... yes and No. I do wish I knew the answer to this with absolute certainty. But I may never. We might just have to face the fact that due to the shear size of the distances involved here and the time line we seem to be stuck with. The answer is a big fat zero.

A galaxy maybe? But what about an entire universe, made up of possibily billions of galaxies, potientially expanding forever! As so cleverly put, that’s an aweful waste of space.


I don’t get why some people won’t at least entertain the idea, where does all the resistance stem from?


Ok iv heard a lot of arguments. There is no proof, little evidence, and ZERO empirical evidence.


You cannot trust anything ‘proven’ with anecdotal evidence! There are countless stories of bright lights in the sky and mysterious objects, but they ‘prove’ squat! Even though some could be true, a lot would be bogus, and either way no skeptic will ever be convinced.


You cannot trust anything ‘proven’ with videos and photos! They are a form of evidence, but with today’s technology obviously they can be fraudulent. Again, skeptics will not be convinced.


So what can you trust? Your REASON!


Start with the obvious basics, think about how big the universe is, how many planets there must be, how insignificant we are as a little dot inside a little galaxy swinging in a spiral of millions of other galaxies. Visualize yourself looking down upon millions of galaxies, picture in your head what it would look like. Then ask yourself – if all life exists on a single, insignificantly small rock orbiting inside a galaxy which can barely be differentiated from the millions of other galaxies around… then what is the rest of it for?? Wait maybe that’s too deep for now…


I think that maybe people get too hung up on the idea of aliens visiting earth. Especially when it comes to how! With out current collective body of scientific facts, we have absolutely no idea how it would be possible for aliens to travel great distances through space. Maybe we are (as always) limited by the parameters of our science! Maybe one day as our science grows we will understand. I’m certainly not ruling it out as impossible in the mean time. Maybe; there’s too many maybes hey. Maybe they have, maybe they haven’t. You certainly cant prove it either way, even if u saw it and video taped it. Does it really mater if they have come to earth or not? Even if they never had, I would still reason their existence.

[xelasnave]

If we are the only ones in all there is I doubt if life has much of a future.. we either move away or get fried when our Sun goes red giant..oh but that is in millions of years they say as if millions of years is a long time..just shows how narrow views can be..the time will come and at that time the Earth and on the narrow presumption all life in the UNiverse doth vanish...

Many find the prospect of other inteligent life hard to accept on the numbers but I think the numbers must suggest the opposite..

As most things your acceptance of the proposition turns on beliefs that have already formed and nothing short of an absolute confrontation with an undeniable presentation will change that for most.. even if aliens landed on the white house steps (as in one sci fi movie) most would not accept it as it is beyond their belief.

There are many things we take as facts now that will not change irrespective of reasonable proof to the contrary.

When I say there are no black holes..Well I am the idiot, yet all that believe they are there wont even entertain any possible alternate explanation.

I think that is a rather a cocky stance over something you can not see I feel. I suggest a possibility they say they work with a proven fact.. but to me it makes no sense to entertain something so mysterious because one can presnt the notion on paper.

They must be there they say, I can prove it on paper..sure and I can draw a unicorn so they must be real.. dont even argue about my unicorn because I drew a really good one...and so I rely on my proof ..look at him isnt he a nice one.. I call him pooky and he lives with his mother in little valleys between the clouds... look up you can see the valleys...can I pat him..oh no they are invissable to human eyes... I hope I make a point here.
If I am crazy well I am in good company.

WE think there is no other life in our solar system yet I feel this will be found to be very wrong ... the various Moons of Jupiter would seem probable ... maybe Mars life is all 100 mtrs below the surface . maybe they have ruined the surface like we are now doing and went below..harvesting the internal heat of the planet and surrended all ties with dwelling on the surface of a planet...now we all know folk will line up to say that is impossible ..impossible only relates to what we do not yet understand today really.

Who would have thought life could exist without Sunlight..not that long ago that was impossible ..well now we find there is life on this planet that can sourse energy otherwise than from the Sun...that should be cause to open ones mind much wider than ever before on thses matters.

It is a fact that life can not exist without water well maybe that is a fact that will change also... we can be so sure of ourselves which given our limited footprint on the Universe this seems simply so arogant to me.

Looking at the abundance of life on this planet why should other places be different... life seems to have this ability to "live" anywhere and make something of the cards it is dealt...

Still it would be both neat and saddening to think we were the top dogs in all the Universe.

alex

[Alchemy (Clive)]

never met an alien, probably never will.

[astromark]

Originally Posted by Alchemy

never met an alien, probably never will.

You can not know that...

Follow what Alex has said. Hes been thinking...

The probability of life being found in this solar system is higher than you might have thought. It may be microbial or just single cell structures. The abundance of life forms found on this planet sagest to me that life is tenacious. If it can it will...

As to whether this Earth has been visited by intelligent space traveling aliens or not is obviously not a question I have an answer to, yet. Chances are No. we are alone in this part of this galixy... but I can not know that...

Could we be the descendants of them...? well as uncomfortable as it is, Yes we could be. but I can not know that...

It would seem there is an awful lot I do not yet know with absolute certainty.

I am well aware that those more educated than I will look and run at the very suggestion I have made and I can understand that. Even agree with it. The possibility is still there as is the thought that Earth may have been invaded and they left.
The point must be to remain open minded in all things. Because the truth is often the simplest and most obvious solution but, there is always a but....

[Karls48 (Karl)]

In past posts and various treads over and over I hear complains about human nature. Our cruelty and selfishness, wastefulness, our constant wars and all the other bad things we do. I for one am contend and accept what we are. We are dominant species on this planet and we become such because what we are. If we were placid peaceful grass eating species something else would be dominant now, eating us and nothing would really change. I cannot accept arguments that things we do are unnatural as we are part of nature therefore what ever we do it is natural.
If one accept that we are only life in whole universe one may just as well accept that we were put here by some superior being. The general evidence so far points in other direction so I have to believe (by logical conclusion without any proof) that there must be other life in the Universe. The laws of physic seems to work all over visible Universe so one have to assume that any other intelligent life forms there would go thru similar evolutionary process as be did. If we ever will get visit from aliens one have to expect they will use as resource one way or other.