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Old 25-08-2016, 06:29 PM
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Everyone is getting nbn before me.

You'd think i was in a rubbish non -swinging electorate ... oh yes .. i am in a rubbish electorate.
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Old 25-08-2016, 07:35 PM
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You'd think i was in a rubbish non -swinging electorate .
Swingers have their own electorate...?
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Old 26-08-2016, 04:52 PM
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Hi
Just tested my Optus cable broadband using "testmy.net".
It showed 30.4Mbps download and 1.6Mbps upload.
This is fast enough for me - I don't need NBN.
I also have their optional Fetch box which works great.
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Old 26-08-2016, 05:24 PM
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Peter,
Unfortunately that's not an option you have.....it's going to be NBN or Nix.

I now find that the current "wall mounted" phone(s) and extensions won't work with the NBN box - I have to buy a new wireless phone and "slave"
What about the separate FOXTEL broadband service I currently have - Does it work with NBN???
Telstra couldn't tell me - I'm about to contact FOXTEL to find out.
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Old 26-08-2016, 07:04 PM
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I now find that the current "wall mounted" phone(s) and extensions won't work with the NBN box - I have to buy a new wireless phone and "slave"
Not so, most isp supplied routers have ATA (Analog Telephone Adapter) ports inbuilt and will connect to your existing wiring. If no ATA is supplied you can use a Cisco SPA112 to connect your existing phones to the outside world.
If your NBN is FTTP you may be able to have your Telephony connection via one of the two UNI-V ports on the FTTP interface rather than use an ATA port. Not all providers offer porting of telephony to the Uni-V port.

Note that it's crucial to disconnect the incoming street Telstra connection before connecting any ATA device to your existing cabling.

I've lost count of the number of people who have been conned in to buying replacement hardware, usually at highly inflated prices, we've been contacted by businesses have been conned in to spending in excess of $10k for replacement hardware where none was necessary.

IMHO the NBN and associated services are a bit of a minefield, stuffups by service providers are common and can be difficult to resolve.

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Old 26-08-2016, 07:30 PM
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Phil,
I'd love to believe you but according to the young girl on the Telstra "hot line"....I WILL need a wireless phone on the "new" NBN box and a "slave" downstairs in the kitchen.
I tried the FOXTEL site - I'm none the wiser...they seem to be selling (soon) their own NBN "solutions"
I'll try to call them tomorrow to find out what can be done.
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Old 26-08-2016, 08:07 PM
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I'd love to believe you but according to the young girl on the Telstra "hot line"....I WILL need a wireless phone on the "new" NBN box and a "slave" downstairs in the kitchen.
Ken, I work in telephony and data, my days are spent installing and maintaining telephony equipment including installation and troubleshooting of NBN connected routers and associated VOIP infrastructure.

A good proportion if my time is spent fixing stuffups by service providers who should know better, telephony ports ( i.e. transfer of numbers on copper to voip) not programmed correctly, dodgey routers, just plain bad workmanship, sales and support staff with so little knowledge we have to explain to them how their equipment should be programmed.

In our experience, the worst offender is Telstra.

Many of the operators at the end of the service providers hotlines are little better than trained monkeys, mostly overseas and I suspect under pressure to handle problems without referral back to local staff.

Treat anything a sales person says as a throwaway line, the end game is getting your dollars.

I could write a book on the problems, dishonesty and particularly the incompetance I've seen in the industry over the past 12 months.

VOIP telephony had bought fierce competition, with that comes drastic cost cutting to maintain often obscene profits. In many cases that means overseas call centres, staffed by people with reasonable English skills but no logic skills or real world knowledge.

Finally if you are having FTTP installed then insist on having the NTD installed where you want it, not where the installer wants to put it (usually the easiest and quickest spot they can find) and make sure that the workmanship is to a standard that you are happy with.

If Your install is FTTN then you will be using your existing copper and little change is required apart from ensuring the VDSL router is connected directly to the incoming copper and that it's the only device connected.

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Old 27-08-2016, 03:16 PM
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Hi Ken

You are probably right that I will lose my current Optus cable service because the NBN has bought this network and are "upgrading" it.
You are right about the phones. I changed my Telecom copper service
over to the Optus broadband and as a result had to replace my telephones
with wireless type. However, you can get these pretty cheaply on Ebay.
Have the NBN set any prices for their services yet?

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Old 27-08-2016, 04:05 PM
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Telstar are offering me a "free" NBN box to replace my router and a phone to connect to the box (Only that one line.. additional extensions will require dumping it and using a wireless pair)
They say I can swap over my current ADSL Broadband/ phone package to an NBN 25/5 deal at no extra monthly cost....
Hmmm, as I'm paying $103.50 per month, that seems high compared with the others...they are around $70 for a similar package.
Then we have the FOXTEL on top of that.....
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Old 28-08-2016, 07:44 PM
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In my experience (We have been on NBN fixed wireless for a couple of years now and I periodically check) Telstra are pretty much the most expensive for NBN plans and typically provide limited flexibility.

I just checked again now and the basic plan with the same data allowance that we have now is $25 per month more than we are paying and that is for half the speed, I could not be bothered drilling through the sales website to see what they charge extra to go to the same speed profile we are on now. I though that incremental fee disclosure was frowned on by the ACCC?

And then for a month to month plan they charge an up front $120 for the privilege (Go get stuffed) and a further $89 for a "Self install" (See the previous) AND it comes forcibly bundled with a home phone and if you cancel that within 3 months they slug you an extra $100 (Same response as above)

Telstra only get my money for my wife's mobile (Mine is work provided) as despite the well publicised network failures this year they pretty well still have undeniably the best network and a cheap plan is no use if you can't make or receive calls.
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Old 28-08-2016, 09:27 PM
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Hi
Just tested my Optus cable broadband using "testmy.net".
It showed 30.4Mbps download and 1.6Mbps upload.
This is fast enough for me - I don't need NBN.
I also have their optional Fetch box which works great.
Cheers Peter
Don't Fret Peter.
As you have a cable connection That's all you'll get under this government.
They bought the cable network so it's just a name change to NBN.

Suffer in your jocks mate....

I expect triple that speed when it arrives here.

Use speedtest.net for speed tests.
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Old 30-08-2016, 11:50 AM
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Hi Robin

I read earlier this week in the SMH that NBN will probably leave people like
myself who are already on the previous Optus cable be. Arrangements for others are less certain. It seems that the NBN are updating the cable so that they can provide their "standard" speeds up to 100Mbps. What the eventual charges will be to people such as myself remains to be seen.
There is certainly a lot of mystery surrounding NBN and I suspect even within that organisation in view of the recent problem of "stolen" information.

I think that very few people really understand about net speeds but they have been brainwashed into thinking 100Mbps is really great when many consumers would rather have lower speeds at lower prices. For my case 30Mbps provides lightning fast downloads from a few providers and it
it really exceeds my fairly modest needs.

However, I think that speeds of 100Mbps and higher could provide greater
efficiencies in many businesses which increasingly rely on the net and hopefully improve the nations productivity.

Cheers Peter
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Old 30-08-2016, 10:25 PM
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Peter, they only bought the HFC networks, the older ones will just die in the dust. HFC theoretically should run up to 300Mbs but that speed is shared to a cluster. I dunno what the cluster rate is here but overseas it can be 500 to a node. Try your cable speed at 3am and again at 3:10 in the afternoon. That difference is school kids.

If you check out iinet's home page, they flog NBN by speed. Slowest is 12Mbs or I should say up to 12Mbs so who knows.

That's the problem, if everyone had optic fibre the end speed would be known, not a guess. I fixed a 12 year old PC today. Ran fine but took 2.5 hours to copy 150gig between disks. According to the law, all you can use soon will be the NBN. What if it's stuffed, you have no recourse?

My son has fibre in his city apartment. I've been sitting on 4Mbs out here in the suburbs for years. I found out everyone is speed limited here due to congestion to the exchange. I bring this up to them yearly to get a month off the bill.

Businesses I service are being crippled by slow Internet. God damn everything is in the cloud now plus businesses are becoming more mobile and are working in the field with tablets and need dat from the office.

Mobile speed is great. I've seen 95Mbs on my phone (Voda) but that's useless to an office system tied to 0.9Mbs on the uplink with dozens of people connected at that end.

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Old 30-08-2016, 11:00 PM
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I think that very few people really understand about net speeds but they have been brainwashed into thinking 100Mbps is really great when many consumers would rather have lower speeds at lower prices. For my case 30Mbps provides lightning fast downloads from a few providers and it
it really exceeds my fairly modest needs.

However, I think that speeds of 100Mbps and higher could provide greater
efficiencies in many businesses which increasingly rely on the net and hopefully improve the nations productivity.

Cheers Peter
When you have a family with teenage kids who watch youtube/ play games/netflix etc. and you are trying to do work on the net then 100Mb/s is a minimum speed. It's not about download speeds it's about bandwidth.
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