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17-08-2016, 11:42 AM
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apps you have on your smart phone.Pretty much most of your apps have access to far far more info than the census
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I dont have a smart phone :-)
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are they going to challenge your [mis]information?
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In this case, i wouldnt put it past Mr Kalisch to try, even if only to try and set a precedence and save some face when he realises how many people have withheld data, even after he threatened em.
That will certainly end in more egg on him, but i wouldnt put it past him.
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like my name was Hugh Jarse
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I want to know how many "Jobson Growths" are in Oz now.
One thing i liked about the "privacy" side is no matter what you do ( online or paper ), they have a unique no tied to your address, so could refine the "supplier" of erroneous data if they wanted to push it.
Ie on the paper copy of the census ( not the reply envelope ) there was also a barcode and address, even tho they ask you to re enter the address in the lower boxes 
I just put "Refer Above"
Perfectly truthfull, but may give their automated scanners some fun.
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17-08-2016, 12:05 PM
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Politically incorrect.
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Originally Posted by Satchmo
All you guys getting in a lather about giving the government info they already know should check the permissions on all the random apps you have on your smart phone .
Pretty much most of your apps have access to far far more info than the census including your movements and your emails and contacts lists and photos and I can be sure that you have no idea where that data will go or how it will be used .
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Which is why I avoid apps, period. No GPS Nadda. I pay cash where ever possible and demand to know why anyone needs information about me before I give it to them. The idiocy of people astounds me. So readily people are prepared to role over and be shafted. The Privacy act was put in place to prevent this crap! It is L.A.W. and we need to ensure its enforced! Bloody hell!
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17-08-2016, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Shano592
I reckon the most invasive question they asked me was my name. They already have that, courtesy of Border Force, Immigration, Australian Taxation Office, and any other Federal Government body I have had to interact with recently.
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Exactly this. Everyone has their panties in a twist, yet seem to overlook the government already has plenty of information on you anyway. Sheesh, we used to be delivered a big white book every year that listed everyone's name, address and phone number. Guess what? It's now on the internet!
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17-08-2016, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bugeater
Exactly this. Everyone has their panties in a twist, yet seem to overlook the government already has plenty of information on you anyway. Sheesh, we used to be delivered a big white book every year that listed everyone's name, address and phone number. Guess what? It's now on the internet!

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The data they are trying to steal from you in this farce of a census includes:
1/ Data they have no legal right to demand, let alone threaten to prosecute you for not delivering.
2/ Data that will used to link records from many sources that will provide a one stop SHOP to snoop on everything you say and do.
3/ Provide government with an in-depth profile on you.
4/ Provide organisations with data that will enable them to target you with information about every aspect of your life.
If you haven't got your "panties in a twist" over that, you've got a serious problem. Not only is everything they are doing illegal and intrusive, its undoubtedly only the tip of a very big iceberg. Before you know it, they'll be tracking everything you do in your life. Non-compliant individuals will be dealt with... Sieg Heil !!
In short, Wake up Australia!
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17-08-2016, 04:36 PM
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1/ Has been going on for years already. I think this is the core underpinning of Federal Government.
2/ ATO has been building this system for years, and can cross-match almost every piece of financial data nowadays. I pity the fools who think they can dodge the Taxman, because his spies now work 24/7, and at the speed of light.
3/ See 2/.
4/ This is the biggest issue. Selling personal data that they have forcibly harvested would be a huge breach of trust. If it were to ever happen, I could see the High Court getting really busy.
As for tracking everything you do, for most people you only need to go as far as Bookface or any other social networking site. I stay clear of those for a good reason.
I get that people like their privacy, and for information to remain private. Unfortunately, the Governments of today are obsessed with monetary penaltiese, and are addicted to those proceeds. It has now come to the point where they are inventing flimsy reasons to penalise, in order to cash in on what is basically a nothing.
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17-08-2016, 06:00 PM
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So what actually is the gumberment actually going to do with all this ill gotten data (they already had anyway) that is so very frightening? I mean seriously, I dont think the government is the entity to be afraid of. And corporations are mainly just trying to sell you stuff.
Just what is the conspiracy here?
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17-08-2016, 06:08 PM
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^^^ Obtuse, naive and spectacularly uninformed.
..... I hope you'll forgive the completely redundant, unnecessary and superfluous tautology I employed there to make my point...
Last edited by clive milne; 17-08-2016 at 06:44 PM.
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17-08-2016, 06:18 PM
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I mean seriously, I dont think the government is the entity to be afraid of.
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Mostly true. The worry is how long they can stop it from being pinched.
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17-08-2016, 06:22 PM
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I guess as long as the data isn't stored on the BoM servers, we'll be ok.
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17-08-2016, 06:41 PM
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Gday Shane
Do we really know where the data is :-)
Also, its not always where the data is stored, but what happens when it moves. One article i found a while ago indicated the security levels for most of our major data "collectors"
http://www.zdnet.com/article/abs-qui...ecurity-claim/
ie as long as they keep the data to themselves, they have a hope of keeping it secure. Once they start swapping it, its rafferties rules.
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17-08-2016, 06:48 PM
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Rom,I think you need to declare yourself a Sovereign Citizen.
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17-08-2016, 07:30 PM
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Also, its not always where the data is stored, but what happens when it moves.
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Yeah, man-in-the-middle heists seem to still be quite active. It is amazing that the entire data chain-o-possession isn't always fully secure.
Bring on this quantum encryption that the Chinese are about to boost into space! By reading the encoded message, you damage the message in the process, thereby showing your presence.
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Rom,I think you need to declare yourself a Sovereign Citizen.
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And it can't be of the State of Hysteria... that's mine!
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17-08-2016, 08:17 PM
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Gday Shane
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By reading the encoded message, you damage the message in the process, thereby showing your presence.
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It is only one photon being sent from space.
What if it hit a cloud, or even a bee flying through the photon vector ????
ie my telescope can see photons, but its crap when cloudy
And irredspective of that, if someone was hacking you, you would know they did it, but they would still have the data 
Gunna be a fun few years for Alice and Bobs kids.
Andrew
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17-08-2016, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by clive milne
^^^ Obtuse, naive and spectacularly uninformed.
..... I hope you'll forgive the completely redundant, unnecessary and superfluous tautology I employed there to make my point...
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Assuming this is pointed at me.
I asked a pretty simple question. The response to such a question is always informative, even if the actual question itself hasn't been answered.
I mean if it's a broad privacy issue, I think you need to take considerably greater measures than frothing at the mouth over the census. Start an actual movement. Shape the national debate. But that's not going to happen if you can't articulate the actual evils this is meant to prevent other than a nebulous "lack of privacy".
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18-08-2016, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by bugeater
I mean seriously, I dont think the government is the entity to be afraid of.
Just what is the conspiracy here?
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WARNING: Politically incorrect, but accurate, content follows.
Any entity with that much power is something to be afraid of. You don't see the threat, probably because you tow the line so well.
This government and its judiciary can take you out without even a blink. Take a look at what we jokingly call the "Family Court". There is a system, run by women, for women with an agenda of it's own. It's set up so that a woman can have you removed from your life, children and assets at the drop of a hat, without proof of ANY wrong doing on your part and with little chance of recourse.
You'll then get screwed into the ground until the children turn 18 by what is laughingly called "The child support agency" and they wont have the slightest qualm in driving you bankrupt in the process.
In the Family court, a woman can commit blatant perjury without any consequences. She can lie black and blue to the CSA and get away with it even when that "agency" is provided with irrefutable documentary evidence of the facts.
You try and get "justice" in this system and you have to represent yourself and wait up to 18 months for some pathetic judge to postpone a hearing time and time again.... at your expense!
Over the last few decades, thousands of Australian men have killed themselves and their families because of this system and this stinking government is still getting away with it. Tens of thousands of children have been cut off from their fathers and extended families by vindictive females with little chance of recourse for the fathers and I believe our society is a bloody mess because of it..
Men have been demonised at every level because a small percentage of males act like bastidoes. The women who do the same deeds are usually forgiven for a range of ludicrous reasons. You might try doing a comparison of gaol terms for male V female sexual predators. The inequity in sentencing of these rock spiders is breathtaking.... and rarely ever challenged.
So, don't EVEN begin to say its a conspiracy. Be scared, be angry and do something about it before you find out just what this stinking government is capable of.
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18-08-2016, 09:37 AM
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WARNING: Politically incorrect, but accurate, content follows.
Any entity with that much power is something to be afraid of. You don't see the threat, probably because you tow the line so well.
This government and its judiciary can take you out without even a blink. Take a look at what we jokingly call the "Family Court". There is a system, run by women, for women with an agenda of it's own. It's set up so that a woman can have you removed from your life, children and assets at the drop of a hat, without proof of ANY wrong doing on your part and with little chance of recourse.
You'll then get screwed into the ground until the children turn 18 by what is laughingly called "The child support agency" and they wont have the slightest qualm in driving you bankrupt in the process.
In the Family court, a woman can commit blatant perjury without any consequences. She can lie black and blue to the CSA and get away with it even when that "agency" is provided with irrefutable documentary evidence of the facts.
You try and get "justice" in this system and you have to represent yourself and wait up to 18 months for some pathetic judge to postpone a hearing time and time again.... at your expense!
Over the last few decades, thousands of Australian men have killed themselves and their families because of this system and this stinking government is still getting away with it. Tens of thousands of children have been cut off from their fathers and extended families by vindictive females with little chance of recourse for the fathers and I believe our society is a bloody mess because of it..
Men have been demonised at every level because a small percentage of males act like bastidoes. The women who do the same deeds are usually forgiven for a range of ludicrous reasons. You might try doing a comparison of gaol terms for male V female sexual predators. The inequity in sentencing of these rock spiders is breathtaking.... and rarely ever challenged.
So, don't EVEN begin to say its a conspiracy. Be scared, be angry and do something about it before you find out just what this stinking government is capable of. 
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Um, I think the government knows you are male before you fill out the census....
This isn't about privacy then is it, but a general hate of government/the judiciary?
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18-08-2016, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bugeater
Um, I think the government knows you are male before you fill out the census....
This isn't about privacy then is it, but a general hate of government/the judiciary?
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This is about people giving up their rights without a fight. Shame on you!! I give a perfect example of why YOU should be very worried about governments taking more and more from you and that's the best you can come up with??? REALLY!!
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18-08-2016, 10:23 AM
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Rom the family court may seem wanting to you but it beats what came before it where parties were forced to rely on humiliating facts to seek a divorce.
I worked in the family court and say it was as fair as you could expect and slowly has moved men from thinking of wives and children as possessions subject to their rule.
Some men did not like this and took to killing judges, a aspect of terrorism overlooked by our society.
I knew the judges killed.
In a society where being female once meant virtual slavery the family court caused us to move closer to civilized behaviour.
And your concern for privacy I support but you are wrong about the family court as a generalization.
In that system if you seek to find fault try looking at the lawyers who advised those appearing before the court.
Generalizing based on specifics is usually unhelpful and misleading.
Alex
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18-08-2016, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by el_draco
This is about people giving up their rights without a fight. Shame on you!! I give a perfect example of why YOU should be very worried about governments taking more and more from you and that's the best you can come up with??? REALLY!!
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Strange as this may seem, but different people have different perspectives on things. I'm seeing what seems like an excessive reaction to something quite simple and trying to understand why.
What I actually see as a threat doesn't originate in government at all. It's the success of anti-intellectualism enabled by the internet. I'm trying to work out if this anti-census movement is just another symptom of this.
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18-08-2016, 10:41 AM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fami...tralia_attacks
I thought I would post the above link so folk may know the facts about the attacks and killings of family court judges and family members.
Someone has edited the entry one day ago.
The entry reads that the killings were justified.
A sad mistake or deliberate evil.
Alex
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