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The brother of one of the kids on the soccer team that my grandson plays with in Texas, just got shot in the head in a road rage incident in Colorado. He died.

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Old 20-07-2016, 11:34 AM
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Terrible news Ray, you must be constantly worried about your family over there.
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Yes, it is very worrying that such random violence seems to be the norm. I hope that the real risk to the grandkids is actually fairly small, but it is certainly not zero. There is also an effect on society - why should kids have to be taught a procedure that will maximise their chances of staying alive if they are pulled over in a car by police - or why must they have lockdown drills in their school just in case some armed loony decides to use his AK47 for the designed purpose - and how does having senior students carrying loaded weapons improve campus safety?. As Clive pointed out, American society is quite brutish at the core and that makes for a dangerous cocktail when there is unfettered access to deadly weapons - but there is a large and powerful lobby that just doesn't give a stuff about that.

"Effective Dates: August 1, 2016 for all state 4-year colleges and universities; August 1, 2017 for all state 2-year and junior colleges.
The new Texas law will permit individuals who have obtained a concealed handgun license (CHL) to carry their loaded, concealed weapon in college and university buildings."

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The new Texas law will permit individuals who have obtained a concealed handgun license (CHL) to carry their loaded, concealed weapon in college and university buildings."[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE"Effective Dates: August 1, 2016 for all state 4-year colleges and universities; August 1, 2017 for all state 2-year and junior colleges.
The new Texas law will permit individuals who have obtained a concealed handgun license (CHL) to carry their loaded, concealed weapon in college and university buildings."[/QUOTE]

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Looks like I stuffed that reply up. anyway I think you get the gist of my thoughts....
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Yes, it is very worrying that such random violence seems to be the norm. I hope that the real risk to the grandkids is actually fairly small, but it is certainly not zero. There is also an effect on society - why should kids have to be taught a procedure that will maximise their chances of staying alive if they are pulled over in a car by police - or why must they have lockdown drills in their school just in case some armed loony decides to use his AK47 for the designed purpose - and how does having senior students carrying loaded weapons improve campus safety?. As Clive pointed out, American society is quite brutish at the core and that makes for a dangerous cocktail when there is unfettered access to deadly weapons - but there is a large and powerful lobby that just doesn't give a stuff about that.
It creates a climate of fear, that people feel the need to protect themselves from - with guns. Every time a massacre happens, gun sales go up. The solution is the problem, and the effect is the cause.
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One of my girls went to USA on a school exchange, Seattle, yes and the Boeing factory. She stayed with a great family whose parents worked at Boeing. She had a great trip ...and tour of the factory...I was apoplectic she had this and I didn't (ex Airforce tech green with envy).

Great trip for her...but I forgot or didn't even think to say..."please no guns". Yep, like most of the exchange kids...they were taken out for a good old few hrs at the range or out back of paddocks.

Look, the family were excellent, it didn't occur to them this would be an issue in the same manner it didn't occur to me she would be handed a gun. But....IMHO there is a lack of common sense here. A kid who knows nothing of firearms never touched one...given one to point and shoot!

I mean...what's the worse that can/could happen? Knowing what firearms can do do a person, especially if not trained, I just shook my head in disillusionment and still are to this day.
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Old 21-07-2016, 02:02 AM
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I am a citizen of the United States and I have never owned a gun nor do I want one.

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Old 21-07-2016, 07:57 AM
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I am sure there are millions like you in the USofA, normal people going about their lives. The problem is that to the media there is no point reporting about normal people, better to report about one mother who carries a gun than a million who don't.

The recent problems in the US have highlighted that the people of the United States are not united at all.

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Old 21-07-2016, 09:01 AM
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I am a citizen of the United States and I have never owned a gun nor do I want one.

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thanks very much for your first-hand input Joe. I think that many people around the world are genuinely concerned that there is such a wide dichotomy of views in the US on the need for guns in a modern civilized society.

For example, I find it incomprehensible that some of my daughter's warm and caring friends in Texas think that it is normal that they should be armed and that the person shopping next to them in the supermarket could be carrying a deadly weapon. And that they think it is their parental duty to teach their children how to shoot to kill another person. There is something going on here that I simply do not understand. The inability of the organisers of the Republican convention to ban AR15s in the precinct - when they did ban tennis balls - just put the issue in perspective.

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Old 21-07-2016, 09:48 AM
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Thanks for all of the thoughtful contributions, but maybe time to draw a line under this thread?

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Old 21-07-2016, 02:42 PM
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I am sure there are millions like you in the USofA, normal people going about their lives. The problem is that to the media there is no point reporting about normal people, better to report about one mother who carries a gun than a million who don't.

The recent problems in the US have highlighted that the people of the United States are not united at all.
The division is artificial and deliberately inculcated imho. (Divide and conquer)

In my travels through the world, I have found most people to be more or less the same irrespective of creed, colour or religion. What distinguishes them is the prevailing political establishment which is invariably a product of the narrative set by the influence pedlars in the main stream media in that region. And so; a culture is often defined in a boardroom somewhere, for someone else's convenience (read - profit)

And for those tax franchises that have the temerity to resist hegemony?
Well, some pretext is made to manufacture our consent and AK47's are put in to the hands of thugs, drug lords and mercenary terrorists... call them free-dumb fighters or moderate rebels and it becomes a noble cause... freedom, human rights and democracy is the cry! Do we even recognise that the bodies and failed states piling up in the rear view mirror might just be growing faster than you can drive?

Consider Pakistan for a moment...
This seldom gets traction in the main stream media (unless there's a cricket match on) but that country is sliding in to chaos, radicalisation and outright civil war. It has long had a policy of creating and using jihadist groups as instruments to pursue its geopolitical interests. Many of those individuals have turned against the state. To give you a sense of scale, this shows the extent of terrorist activity in the region:
http://i0.wp.com/globalriskinsights....2_wom914_0.png
The drone strikes are in red... the number of innocent civilians killed from these strikes number in the thousands, children in the hundreds.
If it were your family in the rubble, how would you react?
There are now radicalised elements within the military who's sympathies no longer lie with the establishment. Does it get much more dangerous than a radicalised civil war in a failed state with nuclear weapons?

There is a good case to be made that the United States itself is a failed or failing state. It's population has been hugely damaged by its own permanent war (for profit) industry - capitalism at its finest! Since WW2, no less than 40 countries have been targeted and the death toll (globally) is somewhere between 20 to 50 million! ... The damage bill in the tens of trillions.

But it is not the American people driving this. The military industrialists in league with their foreign interest lobby groups (AIPAC), their mercenary proxies, banksters, Wall st criminals, political puppets, media and intellectual allies have greatly enlarged poverty and civil conflict, sabotaged the public services and social infrastructure of the country and driven it to the point of insolvency.

The wealth of the nation (and that of future generations) is drained into the war system and into the bank accounts of a small minority of greed driven psychopaths, who, are aggressively striving to go beyond mere excess. They want to go back to the feudal system with their boot on your neck.

And what stands between them now, and achieving the dream of Bolshevism two point oh?

Incidentally... just for fits and giggles... google:
'Kuhn Loeb bank funded bolsheviks'

Then google:
'Red Terror'

Funny how your history classes didn't include those two little nuggets, hey?
Biggest holocaust of the last century.... (over 60 million dead) funded by Wall street. Yeah, we'll just skip that bit.

Enjoy your weekend,
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Old 21-07-2016, 03:10 PM
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'Kuhn Loeb bank funded bolsheviks'
Yep, that's a total hoot.
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Old 21-07-2016, 03:16 PM
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Gday Clive

Another good read is "Oil The biggest business" by Christopher Tugendhat

I always liked the history of Rockefeller and the growth of Standard Oil as an example of how "private industry" could also use money to subvert nations.
Maybe not using bombs, but the end results for many who were "in the way" was the same.

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Old 21-07-2016, 03:47 PM
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So what on earth and in the heavens above would make any sane person contemplate Trump as a leader? I reckon he'll trigger at least one war even if its a civil war?
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Old 21-07-2016, 03:58 PM
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Each to their own. At least you can carry a Swiss Army Knife classic without incurring a $1000 fine for possessing and carrying a 1" long concealed weapon. To add to the crap, walk past the door of a hotel, be stopped by police, searched for no reason, be in possession of the same little knife and cop a $2000 fine.
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