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Old 30-06-2016, 11:48 AM
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So it's ok to tell utter porkies "because the other kids did it too"? Would you accept that excuse from a child? Go against all the experts because you don't like them (Gove). Remember the lop-sidded nature of this, the decision is irreversible in one direction, not the other.
On the eve-eve of an election here, this is equally relevant... isn't telling porkies to get a vote what politicians do?
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Old 30-06-2016, 12:11 PM
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On the eve-eve of an election here, this is equally relevant... isn't telling porkies to get a vote what politicians do?
That is of course true (spectacularly so 3 years ago), but usually the electorate gets a chance to re-evaluate their decision within 3-5 years. This time, they do not.
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Old 30-06-2016, 12:25 PM
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From what I understand, Cameron and previous PMs had been negotiating the UK's position with Europe for decades, the EU leaders even stated that. But it's curious how those same leaders are now repositioning for "reform" when maybe if they'd done that before now it wouldn't have ended the way it did

Btw, I'm just playing advocate, the issues aren't as simple as just border control, you have to consider welfare, agriculture, etc.
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Old 30-06-2016, 01:02 PM
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So it's ok to tell utter porkies "because the other kids did it too"? Would you accept that excuse from a child? Go against all the experts because you don't like them (Gove). Remember the lop-sidded nature of this, the decision is irreversible in one direction, not the other.
Give us a break, what world do you live
Since when has politics on either side of the table been honest
Can you stand/sit there and with a straight face say you have never in your adult life told an untruth to gain advantage.

BTW if Cameron had done the right thing and put out a for and against in a proper and just way,maybe it could have been different,but I dont think so
He withheld information for the leave case even from his own ministers and cabinet, forbidding it to be released while flooding the airwaves with stay propaganda.
The man has no honour.

The fall out of this is mainly financial,because the money grubs took their money and ran.
Have you noticed the markets are coming back,now that they reallise the sky didn't fall in.

I really dont think you listened to or watched that video,I suggest you do ,it might just give you a different slant on your view.
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Old 30-06-2016, 01:20 PM
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The damage was already done the day they decided on a referundum to leave or stay. Regardless of change of heart or what might have happened it's done and dusted now. It is very unfortunate for England. Very hard times ahead IMHO but then again poms are very resilient so let's wait and see. I wish all the best to all of those affected.
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Old 30-06-2016, 07:18 PM
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Give us a break, what world do you live
Since when has politics on either side of the table been honest
Can you stand/sit there and with a straight face say you have never in your adult life told an untruth to gain advantage.
As a professional who works with hard data every day, I'd lose my job if I lied to a client/colleague about important information. Prison wouldn't be out of the question. Personally I would *never ever* lie in a circumstance that would substantially affect others, let alone the direction of a whole country. If somebody asked me to, I'd be off out the door first. I'm actually very stubborn on that point, and I need not say what I think this insinuation to be. If you think it's alright to take a decision to jump on a one-way ticket to a destination that the drivers don't know, based on massive direct lies, as already admitted, then that's your problem. I live, and would like to continue living, in a world governed by at least some sense of reason, where large decisions have the support of evidence, and where there is some sense of accountability against those who would be so destructive and deceitful for their own gain. That world is disappearing with the likes of Johnson, Gove, Farage, Abbott and Trump. And my country is tearing itself apart.

To avoid anything further, I'll leave this conversation, as this isn't really the place for it. Clear skies, and hope for a peaceful outcome of all this.

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Old 30-06-2016, 07:34 PM
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The fall out of this is mainly financial,because the money grubs took their money and ran.
Have you noticed the markets are coming back,now that they reallise the sky didn't fall in.
Yep. There are just as many people buying and making just as many things. If the EU wants to thumb it's nose at the UK, then there will be no shortage of other countries happy to make new trade deals that aren't hampered by EU red tape.
There may be some short term issues, but it will return to normal.
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Old 07-07-2016, 12:11 AM
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A sad thing that common people will suffer at the end. Brokers believe in the slight fall of prices in England and Spain. However the weak pound will play its part to attract new foreign investors in London. A piece on the topic https://tranio.com/united-kingdom/ne...e-the-eu_5152/, pay attention to the part "the real estate market in Britain may benefit from heightened foreign interest" (but not its residents)
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Old 07-07-2016, 01:39 AM
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I just arrived home from that side of the planet this evening. My scottish relatives are pissed that eastern europeans are taking peoples jobs, but really the bulk of the work has been outsourced to china. My wife's english relatives however revel in the diversity which now surrounds them, but they are retired.

It's obvious immigration was the big issue. We spent almost 2 weeks in the UK and south of scotland, we had a natural english speaking waiter serving us on only one occasion. Even the guy giving the tour on the hop on bus had an accent as did the driver and both where barely comprehensible. I walked into 3 pubs owned by non english speakers in downtown London.

I saw a lot of of eastern europeans sleeping rough in the streets around London, I'd estimate about 300 where camped down around leicester square after 8pm when we where there.

Time will tell if the British get what they want.

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