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Originally Posted by astroron
Give us a break, what world do you live 
Since when has politics on either side of the table been honest 
Can you stand/sit there and with a straight face say you have never in your adult life told an untruth to gain advantage. 
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As a professional who works with hard data every day, I'd lose my job if I lied to a client/colleague about important information. Prison wouldn't be out of the question. Personally I would *never ever* lie in a circumstance that would substantially affect others, let alone the direction of a whole country. If somebody asked me to, I'd be off out the door first. I'm actually very stubborn on that point, and I need not say what I think this insinuation to be. If you think it's alright to take a decision to jump on a one-way ticket to a destination that the drivers don't know, based on massive direct lies, as already admitted, then that's your problem.

I live, and would like to continue living, in a world governed by at least some sense of reason, where large decisions have the support of evidence, and where there is some sense of accountability against those who would be so destructive and deceitful for their own gain. That world is disappearing with the likes of Johnson, Gove, Farage, Abbott and Trump. And my country is tearing itself apart.
To avoid anything further, I'll leave this conversation, as this isn't really the place for it.

Clear skies, and hope for a peaceful outcome of all this.
Oh, and Áfram Island!!