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Old 28-04-2016, 09:42 PM
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Confusion is a normal state while trying to work out astro gear. BTW, I was not trying to be rude with my other post ( I just re read it and it may come across that way!!) I was trying to strongly emphasis my own personal knowledge and experience.

The best way to alleviate the confusion is to take a step back and realise that you do not have to make a decision straight away. the skys will still be there in a month or so The single best piece of advice I have heard given to people buying their first scope (apart from not buying at at an Aust Geographic store!!) is get yourself along to star party or club observing night. The Astronomical Society of NSW is hosting the South pacific Party shortly (details here: http://www.asnsw.com/node/712 ) and from experience here in Vic, you will learn more at these gatherings in a hour or so of wandering around, looking at and through scopes and asking questions than in months researching and looking at videos (or posting on IIS)

If that is not possible, keep an eye out for other gatherings or see if there are any societies you can join.

It will be money well spent!!

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I think I'm actually getting more and more confused, oh my.

Just in case I rethink on the DOBs - would a 6" be considered fine or not big enough?
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Old 29-04-2016, 09:40 AM
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Perhaps this:
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...d.php?t=145232
on an AZ mount (the Vixen Porta it's pictured with would be real nice; GSO have something similar, but the less expensive AZ3 would be fine too). And it's the sort of scope you'll keep for its portability and wide field of view even after you get hungry for more aperture and buy a big Dob, Newt, Cass etc.

PS. Completely agree with Malcolm about going to star party or observing night at a local club. You'll learn more about scopes in one night than in weeks spent researching and conversing online.
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Old 29-04-2016, 01:04 PM
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Goto vs Yay or Nay

Hi Everyone,

I have only just joined this group so please excuse my ignorance and limited knowledge. I am trying to narrow my options down to purchasing equipment. A colleague of mine has strongly recommended the Goto Telescopes as a newbie. What have other people's experiences been with them?

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Old 29-04-2016, 01:49 PM
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There are very good reasons to recommend against a Goto scope for a beginner. With a goto scope you might never learn to really look at the sky and explore. But it totally depends on what you want to get out of astronomy. This is where going to a star party or public observing night at a large astro club/society is extremely valuable and cannot be replaced with other people's opinions you read online.

FWIW I would say: get a manually operated push-to scope, a planisphere, basic star/deep-sky atlas, red torch and a pair of binoculars. It's a lot more fun doing it that way: much more of an adventure. But that's just the way I feel about it. And if you get lost and cannot find something, get on the forums and ask.

Goto has its place, and it's certainly something you might like to consider later on especially once you're ready to upgrade to a larger scope. But initially it can suck all the life out of the experience. Kind of like sightseeing in a foreign city by taxi with blacked out windows and only ever stopping and getting out to take a brief look at the major tourist attractions. And also spending most of your travel money on taxi fares: with a small to medium sized goto scope, most of the money goes into the goto (computer, electronics, motors ...) instead of the optics, which is what you'd really need to make you go instead of

JMO. Everyone's needs are different. You need to sus things out for yourself.

PS @Kiki Seeing you're in Brisbane, you should go along to one of Astro Pete's weekly viewing nights or better yet one of the monthly star parties. I heard a lot of good things about this guy. See http://astropetes.com.au/
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Old 29-04-2016, 02:32 PM
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my first scope was a 6" newt on an equatorial mount. I used that for visual for years and years.

now with experience I will always recommend an 8" dob over anything remotely similar. that extra aperture somehow goes over a threshold of visual viewing that makes it all sing. yes a 6" is ok and will keep you happy for a bit but 8" will go the distance. when you stand next to them there really isn't much difference.
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Old 29-04-2016, 07:48 PM
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Okay, okay - I give up, you win. I am going to put my thinking hat back on, but I am now seriously considering an 8" Dob.

Thanks for all your input. much appreciated.
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Old 29-04-2016, 09:45 PM
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An 8" isn't that hard to move either complete as I do all around my house, or in tube/base sections.
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Old 29-04-2016, 10:09 PM
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And remember that if you go down the path of an 8" dob, you can get them as either go-to or not. I personally would suggest getting go-to from the outset with a dob. It saves the expense of upgrading later if you want PLUS you are not locked into using it anyway. Having a go to system does not mean that it has to be used.

What Steve has said is very good advise, take it from someone that started with go to and now, years later, only somewhat knows the skies I do not by any means regret never having been through the manual phase, but there is something to be said for learning the skies.

I personally believe that goto is fantastic when you have kids around, they are not as patient as adults when it comes to either finding an object or waiting for you to find it
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Old 30-04-2016, 09:01 AM
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Okay, okay - I give up, you win. I am going to put my thinking hat back on, but I am now seriously considering an 8" Dob.

Thanks for all your input. much appreciated.
Don't give up yet Sven. I support the idea of a small refractor as a first purchase. You will be surprised what you can see with one of these once you start trying. For example there is a great 80ED on the classifieds now below your $500 range. Fitted on an altazimuth mount - or even a sturdy photo tripod it will be extremely portable, no need for collimation each time you transport it and give excellent views of the moon planets, double stars and the brighter DSOs. Even faint DSOs can be detected with such a small scope.
You will need good eyepieces but this also holds for the dobs. My brother-in law has an 8" dob and the performance was pretty ordinary with the standard 10mm and 25mm eyepieces. Fitted with a 13 Nagler and a whole new telescope revealed itself.
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Old 30-04-2016, 10:08 AM
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I think the best advice here so far has been about attending a StarParty/Astro meet/DarkSky Night, anywhere where one is likely to be able to try out a few different designs and sizes of scopes.

Get there early enough to watch the various scopes being set up. Talk to the people and ask questions then ask to view some of the same targets with different scopes.

Having said all that, I think an 8" Dob with encoders and a basic Dsc is a great place to start. An 80mm makes a fine scope but on its own it can be rather limiting.
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Old 29-06-2016, 09:53 AM
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Update: Impossible amounts of ummm-ing and aaaaah-ing later I've pulled the trigger on an 8" GSO DOB from Bintel.

Expect some After Action Reports in a little while.

And thanks everyone again for your input.
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