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Old 12-03-2016, 10:32 AM
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Hypothetically speaking
Most of the comments above are probably aimed at the 7-10yo
A 12 year old will already have a critical eye for quality.
They will be expert users of the internet and will probably already have done their research.
They will start asking for stuff higher up - Planewave 12.5" on Ascension Mount, or Astrophysics 4" on Paramount !

They will probably already know that there is almost no colour to be seen through an eyepiece and probably want to go down the astrophotography route - but of course they are only 12 yo so they have no idea how deep they would be getting or difficult and hard it is !

So to spend less than the price of a Precise Parts adapter on them, or about the cost of a single cheap but useable quality eyepiece going to seem like an insult to their interest.
The telescope is going to end up an all of family piece of equipment - find the extra dollars and buy something half decent.

Truthfully I wouldnt even bother spending $150 on my son if he showed genuine interest in astronomy at the age of 12yo
If I spent that little it would be counterproductive - but then I have never understood the rationale behind Kids meals at hotels and restaurants where you feed them low grade cheap meals comprised of chips, reconstituted nuggets and carbohydrates instead of good food
Why would we feed the next generation rubbish food !

Why would we buy them equipment that is more likely to quell their interest due to its limitations and low quality than buy them better quality equipment.
You say on a limited budget - but surely this is a case more of limited priority than true limited budget.
Just wait alittle longer, buy components for Birthdays and Christmas.

Sure you dont want to waste money on a passing fad, but at the same time there are star parties etc to evaluate their real interest, so once established - get the family a decent system that they can grow into.

Mine may not be the most popular opinion, but I dont see any value (especially on a limited budget) of buying gear that will need an immediate upgrade (ie doubling or quadrupling the initial expenditure for eyepieces or mount of OTA) just to maintain interest and save wasting time on failed viewing sessions and tweaking to try and get a half decent view in the first place !

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Old 12-03-2016, 11:02 AM
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Hypothetically speaking
Most of the comments above are probably aimed at the 7-10yo
A 12 year old will already have a critical eye for quality.
They will be expert users of the internet and will probably already have done their research.
They will start asking for stuff higher up - Planewave 11.5" on Ascension Mount, or Astrophysics 4" on Paramount !

They will probably already know that there is almost no colour to be seen through an eyepiece and probably want to go down the astrophotography route - but of course they are only 12 yo so they have no idea how deep they would be getting or difficult and hard it is !

So to spend less than the price of a Precise Parts adapter on them, or about the cost of a single cheap but useable quality eyepiece going to seem like an insult to their interest.
The telescope is going to end up an all of family piece of equipment - find the extra dollars and buy something half decent.

Truthfully I wouldnt even bother spending $150 on my son if he showed genuine interest in astronomy at the age of 12yo
If I spent that little it would be counterproductive - but then I have never understood the rationale behind Kids meals at hotels and restaurants where you feed them low grade cheap meals comprised of chips, reconstituted nuggets and carbohydrates instead of good food
Why would we feed the next generation rubbish food !

Why would we buy them equipment that is more likely to quell their interest due to its limitations and low quality than buy them better quality equipment.
You say on a limited budget - but surely this is a case more of limited priority than true limited budget.
Just wait alittle longer, buy components for Birthdays and Christmas.

Sure you dont want to waste money on a passing fad, but at the same time there are star parties etc to evaluate their real interest, so once established - get the family a decent system that they can grow into.

Mine may not be the most popular opinion, but I dont see any value (especially on a limited budget) of buying gear that will need an immediate upgrade (ie doubling or quadrupling the initial expenditure for eyepieces or mount of OTA) just to maintain interest and save wasting time on failed viewing sessions and tweaking to try and get a half decent view in the first place !

Well, of course YOU would not buy a $150 scope for your kid. You would give him time on your scope or give him one of your old ones.

Same for me.

But the question was not about parents who are deep into astronomy . It is about parents who have seen Jupiter in the sky 100 times and assumed it was a helicopter with a search light, or looked at the moon in thanks so they could find the keys they dropped.

I guess, when I graduated high school my Dad should have bought me a Mercedes rather than letting me get some used junker. now THAT would have been cool.

My folks got me a Sears 60 mm with a zoom eyepiece and I LOVED it, poor optics and wobbly mount and all. But I was about 12 or 13 when I got it. And used it for years with no help from anyone. I still have it. Got me started. Right up to the point where I discovered girls and cars and then college. An 8" Dob would not have stopped that train from leaving the station.

Everyone has a different view on the matter. And I welcome all views.
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Old 12-03-2016, 12:22 PM
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Ed,

My first scope was a low/medium priced kit that had really lousy EPs
It cost $800 - so by no means cheap but by no means high quality either.

The scope itself was an OK 4" reflector on a cheap Alt/Az mount, but what let the system down completely were the EPs, but I was not to know that for a long time.

After spending the first many nights struggling to get a good view of Saturn, I spent a lot of time trying to collimate and eventually realised that I already had the best view I was going to get with the gear I had.

I then disappointedly put that scope back in its box and it took another 5 years before I plunged in head first with a single purchase of good quality gear.
I did this in isolation - which in hindsight wasnt the best way to go - I should have visited a club and attended a star party but I didnt know of their existence . . . let alone value

So I guess I would really hate to see a young person's interest dashed for the same sorts of reasons - and I can see how it could occur so easily if the inappropriate choices are made up front.

I have run quite a few star parties for primary school kids and even gave away 50 Galileo scopes at my own expense to help stimulate some interest with those that had the keenest interests, so I am genuinely keen to see young kids given the opportunity to be motivated by astronomy.

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