ATA 5-shot semi-automatic shotgun

[RB (Andrew)]

Seriously?
Have we lost all our sense of discernment on IIS?
Geoff posted this just in case someone *may* have that particular firearm, as a warning, like Marcus and Matt (Kunama) said.
I appreciate the warning, as a farmer and having many firearms myself.

Originally Posted by marc4darkskies

Let's see, the OP brought people's attention to the possibility that a particular firearm may be faulty in order perhaps to avoid the tragic injuries discussed in the article (in case there are IIS people on farms who own the same firearm). Nothing more. And your first response is to want to censor him? Are you for real?!

Also General Chat is mainly for other Astro related themes not covered by the other sub headings but Mike has also said its a general area of discussion for other topics, he doesn't want a Forum full of sub forums for all sorts of specific themes, makes for a very cluttered Forum.

We've had many other discussions that are not related to astro with no complaints, so what's the problem now?
As Hans states, we keep an eye on the discussions and allow a fair bit of latitude, as long as everyone stays civil and respectful, we allow discussion.

Originally Posted by Hans Tucker

The moderators extend a fair bit of latitude to topics posted on the General Folder and all they ask is that people posting to these topics are respectful to others. Posts get locked or deleted if they break this one rule.

[xelasnave]

Top marks Andrew and Mike.
It was clear from the title of this thread it was about a gun so one has the option not to open it or read the contents.
Iceinspace is a wonderful forum and that has a lot to do with not ruling with an iron fist.
So many forums are just too precious to be enjoyable.
Keep up the great job moderators.

[MortonH]

Originally Posted by RB

Seriously?
Have we lost all our sense of discernment on IIS?
Geoff posted this just in case someone *may* have that particular firearm, as a warning, like Marcus and Matt (Kunama) said.
I appreciate the warning, as a farmer and having many firearms myself.



Also General Chat is mainly for other Astro related themes not covered by the other sub headings but Mike has also said its a general area of discussion for other topics, he doesn't want a Forum full of sub forums for all sorts of specific themes, makes for a very cluttered Forum.

We've had many other discussions that are not related to astro with no complaints, so what's the problem now?
As Hans states, we keep an eye on the discussions and allow a fair bit of latitude, as long as everyone stays civil and respectful, we allow discussion.

Responses such as "Seriously?", "Are you for real?" and "what's the problem now?" sound quite DISrespectful in my opinion.

[RB (Andrew)]

Originally Posted by MortonH

Responses such as "Seriously?", "Are you for real?" and "what's the problem now?" sound quite DISrespectful in my opinion.

No its not, in my opinion.
Just an expression of disappointment of how politically correct society has been trained to think these days.

[torana68 (Roger)]

people loose track of realities, I have firearms so does every neighbour (even the very religious ones and the single women ) why? some hunt and eat Deer, I hate them but they do taste good. Kangaroos need putting down most weeks (car accidents and one yesterday beaten to near death by a bigger male), we have fox and rabbit issues , I am required to deal with the Fox by law and I don't like laying poison. Not all Australian's live in a flat in a city. So really these things are daily normalities here.. But if someone knows of a faulty firearm out there its nice to know about as I don't frequent the firearm forums. There is always the choice to not read and not post.

[MortonH]

Originally Posted by RB

No its not, in my opinion.
Just an expression of disappointment of how politically correct society has been trained to think these days.

Guns are such a divisive topic it should be expected that some people don't want them discussed here. Nothing to do with political correctness.

Nevertheless, in the context of the OP's intention to warn people, I agree this thread is ok. The principle is the same as other 'public service' threads warning of scams, frauds, etc.

[marc4darkskies (Marcus)]

Originally Posted by MortonH

Responses such as "Seriously?", "Are you for real?" and "what's the problem now?" sound quite DISrespectful in my opinion.

Not at all. What's disrespectful is for a couple of people to suggest censorship of a well intentioned post that may be of interest to people simply because they don't like the subject line. I find that disturbing because it flies in the face of the very fundamentals of democracy and freedom.

Originally Posted by MortonH

... some people don't want them discussed here...

If you don't like the subject, ignore the post. Don't tell everyone else they don't have the right to participate in it.

[The Mekon (John Briggs)]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by marc4darkskies

Not at all. What's disrespectful is for a couple of people to suggest censorship of a well intentioned post that may be of interest to people simply because they don't like the subject line. I find that disturbing because it flies in the face of the very fundamentals of democracy and freedom.

I do not see it at all disrespectful to suggest that guns not be discussed on an astronomy forum. We do not discuss religion or politics, because as MortonH has said, it is likely to be divisive. I appears guns fall into the same category.
Anyone sufficiently interested in guns to legally own such a firearm will surely have more efficient ways of ensuring their safety than information from an astronomy forum! If not then perhaps our gun lobby is wrong and there are unsafe legitimate gun owners out there.

[Hagar (Doug)]

This has degraded itself almost to extinction. Surely as Australian adults we can discuss any topic. Just because someone says gun the world will not end. You don't have to open the thread and participate in the discussion but you should extend the courtesy to allow others to participate if they wish. All the changes to gun laws seem to change very little with gun crimes in Victoria each and every day. That said a few rotten apples don't spoil a full harvest.
I don't own a gun but have interests in other weaponry. (Knives) I shudder to call them weapons. I should refer to them as tools . This does not exclude me taking an interest in them and being open to a discussion or as in this case a warning.

Why disrupt a perfectly harmless discussion unless that is your only reason for input.

[MortonH]

Originally Posted by marc4darkskies

Not at all. What's disrespectful is for a couple of people to suggest censorship of a well intentioned post that may be of interest to people simply because they don't like the subject line. I find that disturbing because it flies in the face of the very fundamentals of democracy and freedom.

If you don't like the subject, ignore the post. Don't tell everyone else they don't have the right to participate in it.

It's not censorship to express an opinion that a certain topic doesn't belong here (religion and politics are already CENSORED here!) In effect YOU are trying to censor the opinions of those that don't like this thread. The manner and tone of your responses comes across as disrespectful because you insinuate that they are wrong for having that opinion, when all you had to say is that you disagree with it.

[Hagar (Doug)]

Originally Posted by MortonH

It's not censorship to express an opinion that a certain topic doesn't belong here (religion and politics are already CENSORED here!) In effect YOU are trying to censor the opinions of those that don't like this thread. The manner and tone of your responses comes across as disrespectful because you insinuate that they are wrong for having that opinion, when all you had to say is that you disagree with it.

WOW!!! Censor the Censor. A novel approach.

[MortonH]

Originally Posted by Kunama

Another thread has been started that discusses a potentially dangerous item that could also lead to serious injury but because that item is a possibly poorly made bolt, you guys are not jumping onto that bandwagon......
Seriously ??? What next ?

This raises another 'interesting' thing - the headings people use when starting posts and the fact that often we react to the heading without knowing the full story. I saw this one and thought it was a general gun discussion. Even the post itself only made reference to the gun's "reliability", with nothing to suggest there was any danger to the user. I wasn't interested enough to read the link so it was only after multiple replies that it became apparent that the purpose of the thread was a warning. But by then everyone's tails were up!

Now you've mentioned the "Dodgy bolt" thread also being about a dangerous item so I went and had a look. Interesting reading for those that might be affected, but otherwise "dodgy bolt" gave no indication that this was warning us about something that might be dangerous.

Maybe slightly more descriptive headings in some instances would make it easier to decide which threads to read, which to ignore, and which to get our knickers in a twist over!

[Kunama]

Simple answer Morton, read them all and ignore any that cause your blood pressure to rise, pulse to race or any sweating......

Have you noticed that there is a real correlation between the types of discussions and the weather. The colder and cloudier the weather, the hotter the discussions.......

[MortonH]

Originally Posted by Kunama

Simple answer Morton, read them all and ignore any that cause your blood pressure to rise, pulse to race or any sweating......

Have you noticed that there is a real correlation between the types of discussions and the weather. The colder and cloudier the weather, the hotter the discussions.......

[RB (Andrew)]

So moral of the story is:

- Always read OP's full post and attached link before commenting.

- Better thread title descriptions by the OP preferred.

- Do your research before buying a gun.

Edit: Also be cautious when buy cheap bolts.

[Hagar (Doug)]

Originally Posted by RB

So moral of the story is:

- Always read OP's full post and attached link before commenting.

- Better thread title descriptions by the OP preferred.

- Do your research before buying a gun.

Edit: Also be cautious when buy cheap bolts.

You forgot to turn out the lights.

[gregbradley]

What's an SLR Doug? I assume its not a single lens reflex camera!
Greg.

[Hans Tucker (Hans)]

Originally Posted by gregbradley

What's an SLR Doug? I assume its not a single lens reflex camera!
Greg.

Given the subject...Self Loading Rifle?

[torana68 (Roger)]

bugger of a thin to do drill with is what it is.

[AussieTrooper (Ben)]

Originally Posted by gregbradley

What's an SLR Doug? I assume its not a single lens reflex camera!
Greg.

SLR usually refers to the previous service rifle of the Australian Army. It is still in service in many countries.