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Old 30-12-2014, 06:47 PM
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His pet peeve was that children in the more populous cities of the northern hemisphere do not see any stars at all.
"Peter San, they do not know what a star is. They look at their screens and don't even look up any more."

Now that's sad.
They don't look up because there's nothing to see. Living in Japan is like living inside a light bulb.
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Old 30-12-2014, 06:47 PM
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For me, when I had access to a clear dark northern horizon and was a very active viewer with my 14.5" telescope, I was actually more fond of the constellations north of Leo and Virgo with their huge galaxy fields. I just liked the experience of galaxy hopping at the eyepiece.

If one is into galaxies, down south we only have Virgo, the small bright group in Fornax, and the other faint bigger group in Centaurus.

That said, when I was an avid observer, I used to have fun when that "big" globular cluster in Hercules was visible. I'd look at it, then swing to Omega Centauri and then to 47 Tucanae and compare the three. Then I'd remember all the amazing descriptions written about the Hercules Globular that I'd read in books and magazines - and start chuckling, as it really didn't compare to our two.
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Old 30-12-2014, 07:44 PM
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As an immigrate from England in 1960 aged 5 I don't remember the northern skies, but have found ours to be the greatest sight to behold, I'm sure there are sights in the northern hemisphere that we would like to see , but I wouldn't trade ours for anything, clear skies.
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Old 30-12-2014, 10:17 PM
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That said, when I was an avid observer, I used to have fun when that "big" globular cluster in Hercules was visible. I'd look at it, then swing to Omega Centauri and then to 47 Tucanae and compare the three. Then I'd remember all the amazing descriptions written about the Hercules Globular that I'd read in books and magazines - and start chuckling, as it really didn't compare to our two.
Here's one I made earlier http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...d.php?t=125218

There's also a bunch of galaxies in Dorado that I was shown last New Moon
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Old 30-12-2014, 10:24 PM
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Is there a Northern hemisphere, is there?

Meh, even some of their best can still be had from here.
M31 from my backyard in NSW.

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Old 30-12-2014, 11:20 PM
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I can see most of the sky from here in Mackay too. Well when it's not covered in cloud and blocked by streetlights. The problem is the first 30 degrees is useless in any direction.
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Andrew, great image of m31 very impressive , clear skies.
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Old 02-01-2015, 12:48 PM
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Andrew, great image of m31 very impressive , clear skies.
Cheers Neil.
I'm looking forward to re-imaging it one day, that one was done back in 2008.
I'll never forget the first time I saw M31 naked eye from the back steps of my house, I was waiting on delivery of my first big scope that week.
I rushed back in and grabbed the binos and I was hooked.

Truly a beautiful galaxy.

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Old 03-01-2015, 01:25 AM
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Here's one I made earlier http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...d.php?t=125218

There's also a bunch of galaxies in Dorado that I was shown last New Moon
Thanks. Your pictures certainly demonstrate the difference between the size of the globulars.
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Easy to agree that the Southern Sky is better...the Northerm Sky has some neat things to see but I will take the Southern view every time...
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Interesting article! As a Scot who lives here for a few years, but observed under some good skies for 20 years in highland Scotland (very dark, but cloudless <<50% of the time), the Southern sky wins on most, but perhaps not quite all, counts. Others have rightly complimented the South, so I'll stick up for a few of the North's sights

The things I miss from the North:
Galaxies and galaxy clusters - apart from the LMC and SMC, which are amazing and unique, I think the North still has the better of the brighter galaxies and galaxy clusters in the sky, including such treats as M101, M51, the Virgo Cluster, Andromeda & Triangulum, and lots of other bright galaxies and groups around in Leo, Canes Venatici, Ursa Major Coma and elsewhere. By contrast, many southern galaxies are isolated and fairly sparse, though there are obviously some good ones (NGC1566/Dorado, NGC253, M83, Fornax spring to mind). The southern Galactic Pole also lacks distinctive constellations in comparison to the north.

Planetaries and SNR: I'd be surprised if there were more planetary nebulae in the north, but perhaps the best two visually are the Ring and Dumbell (the Helix is quite dim in a scope, though excellent photographically) are northern treats, along with clearly the brightest supernova remnants, the Veil and the Crab.

Being from Scotland, I miss the accessibility of the mesmerising aurora, and also the summer noctilucent clouds, neither of which are very visible here. Though the lack of full darkness in summer would bring tears to the eyes of many a deep-sky observer!

But just to twist everyone's tails - the constellations are the wrong-way up here, and the Sun, moon and stars *definitely* move the wrong way across the sky . Orion on his head?? Leo on his back?? Even Scorpius is upside-down . Many northern constellations are more distinctive patterns IMHO, making basic sky navigation easier. And we have a Pole Star .

The North has a terrible deal with the way the Milky Way is tipped - the galactic centre well to the south and a big fat dust cloud through what would be otherwise bright bits just north of the centre. The Great Rift through Serpens Cauda, Aquila and Cygnus probably hides a lot in comparison to the treats of Carina, Crux through to Norma, a similar distance the other side of the Galactic Centre.

Oh to come back in 13,000 years when precession has made Sagittarius and Scorpius northern constellations, in place of Taurus and Gemini, then the discussion would be a little different!! Though the LMC & SMC will remain in the south, and the Virgo Cluster in the North, being near the Ecliptic Poles.

But the weather is, by a huge margin, better for astronomy in Australia. Dry, clear skies for a huge proportion of the time are precious for astronomy, quite apart from all the great stuff you get in southern skies. For astronomy, I'd live in the South. But I still look wistfully north for just a few things
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Just one quibble the Helix is definitely a Southern hemisphere object,at
22:29.6-20.48,it goes nearly directly over my head.
Some good points otherwise
Don't agree with your Virgo cluster as a big % are on the equator so are equally observable by both hemisphere's
I just realized your giving a Sydney cent-rick point of view,
that explains all
Come North young man
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Ah yes I know, but I made that clear as mud great writing! The Helix is perhaps the most famous southern planetary, but visually it's not too in-your-face impressive. I don't think I ever saw it from Scotland either!

But we northerners will still claim Virgo, with M87 at +12deg though many of the Virgo galaxies are decent from the south, the Coma/Canes Venatici ones are pretty ordinary from southern Australia.

It was nice to see the Plough from near Cairns earlier this year, tropical people get the best of both worlds!
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Old 06-01-2015, 10:17 AM
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Sun, moon and stars *definitely* move the wrong way across the sky
You wouldn't believe the number of people (non-astronomers!) that I've spoken to that, while understanding that the Sun rises in the east(ish) and sets in the west(ish), don't grasp that the Sun, Moon and planets move the *other way* across the sky probably because of the altitude issue of the Sun here (and not anything lacking in my explanation )

The Ring is a corker...almost poked my eye out the first time I saw it. Unmistakable even in a modest scope.
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