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Old 21-12-2014, 11:54 PM
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The cycling lobby! :rofl :
This is Oztraya mite
Back in your car!
You mean back to NZ to have your fush und chups.


Sorry Cycling Australia and the Cycling Party. Funny that.

Just peddle your bike in front of me. We'll both have fun.
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Old 22-12-2014, 12:11 AM
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Just peddle your bike in front of me. We'll both have fun.
Explain.
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Old 22-12-2014, 12:29 AM
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I don't have a bull bar or a roo bar.
I have a bicycle collector.
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Old 22-12-2014, 12:44 AM
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I reckon he means he'll run you over
That's why if you ride your bike be courteous to cars and keep left. Having lived in semi rural areas with 80kmph speed limits it has always been a courtesy that if you are not doing the speed limit you let others past. Tractors and farm machinery don't sit in the middle of the road and hold up all the traffic just because they legally can - they keep left and let vehicles past. I've got no problem with bikes riding in tandem as long as they go single file so I can pass safely - its just good manners

If you have not got 2 tonnes of metal protecting you, displaying an arrogant, inconsiderate and entitled attitude is very foolish and could get you killed Still I'm sure that when you get to heaven, God will be pleased to revue your GoPro vision and pat you on the back when you explain that you were entitled to ride in tandem

I ride my bike too - but I follow the road rules and show consideration to car drivers. I've never had a problem

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Old 22-12-2014, 06:31 AM
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The problem's always been that for many people driving is about proving something, and not simply getting somewhere safely.
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Old 22-12-2014, 08:52 AM
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Sound like this thread brought some unresolved issues in some of you. Relax guys. I will not steal your road from you or block your lane. You guys need to let all that BS.... errr tension out. May I suggest some low impact exercise such as ... cycling? The only danger might be retarded hoons in cars who might think you're not allowed to use their road Have a great Xmas and don't run anyone over. If it's fluoro it's not a roo or a wombat
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Old 22-12-2014, 10:25 AM
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Run me over. Right.

Let's all be nice to each other. I'd hate to see motorists becoming fair game as soon as they step out of their cars and become soft, juicy "targets".

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I don't have a bull bar or a roo bar.
I have a bicycle collector.
Good on him. I am a bicycle collector too.

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Sorry Cycling Australia and the Cycling Party. Funny that.
Cycling Australia
Cycling Party
Cycling lobby

:rofl ::rof l:

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Old 22-12-2014, 04:21 PM
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Run me over. Right.


Cycling Australia
Cycling Party
Cycling lobby

:rofl ::rof l:

Have you been getting lessons from Mike Sidonio on using little pictures to broaden your appeal on the forum?

These should help you understand. They all have pictures.

http://australian-cyclists-party-victoria.org.au/
http://vic.cycling.org.au/
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...d5f3de894a4bd9
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Old 22-12-2014, 04:29 PM
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The problem's always been that for many people driving is about proving something, and not simply getting somewhere safely.
What a load of dribble. In this valley even the Sunday ride down the valley is a time trial for the lycra cowboys and girls.

The fact is that in this area the roads are not really suitable for cyclists. There is no shoulder on any of the highway, just a white line at the edge of a narrow 2 lane road which for half it's length has double lines.
I am not sure what the Road traffic act says about passing a bike where there are double lines but I would assume that a bike being defined as a vehicle under the act means you cannot legally pass a bike where there are double lines. If that is the case I would also assume bikes cannot legally ride 2 abreast where there are double lines.
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Old 22-12-2014, 04:42 PM
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What a load of dribble. In this valley even the Sunday ride down the valley is a time trial for the lycra cowboys and girls.

The fact is that in this area the roads are not really suitable for cyclists. There is no shoulder on any of the highway, just a white line at the edge of a narrow 2 lane road which for half it's length has double lines.
I am not sure what the Road traffic act says about passing a bike where there are double lines but I would assume that a bike being defined as a vehicle under the act means you cannot legally pass a bike where there are double lines. If that is the case I would also assume bikes cannot legally ride 2 abreast where there are double lines.
Don't double white lines in the centre of the road just mean that you can't go over the lines.

That being said, if I'm right, you can overtake pushbikes provided you don't cross the lines. Same with bikes overtaking bikes.

The safety issue is that it's dangerous to go over the line. I think

Edit: Quick check reveals alas, that I am right...

Double continuous (unbroken) lines:
These lines are used as dividing lines (centre lines) on roads. YOU must not cross these lines to overtake but you can cross them to turn right at an intersection, ‘U’ turn or enter or leave a road if it is safe to do so;
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Old 22-12-2014, 05:29 PM
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Don't double white lines in the centre of the road just mean that you can't go over the lines.

That being said, if I'm right, you can overtake pushbikes provided you don't cross the lines. Same with bikes overtaking bikes.

The safety issue is that it's dangerous to go over the line. I think

Edit: Quick check reveals alas, that I am right...

Double continuous (unbroken) lines:
These lines are used as dividing lines (centre lines) on roads. YOU must not cross these lines to overtake but you can cross them to turn right at an intersection, ‘U’ turn or enter or leave a road if it is safe to do so;
I just checked it myself and if you were in Victoria you would be partially correct. You cannot cross double continuous lines for any reason.

That said in a valley like where I live, where the highway follows a river and a lot of it's twists and turns and where double white lines can extend for several KM's I assume it is considered responsible riding for a pair of cyclists to ride 2 abreast and hold up all the traffic on that section of road or do similar on any of the local mountain roads so enjoyed by cyclists at 1 or 2 KM/hr. If you give them a hoot on the horn you are promptly told what to do with yourself yet the lycra brigade wonder why their fluoro lycra is a target.
It may be different where you live but this is every day of the week here in Mt Beauty and the surrounding Kiewa Valley.
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Old 22-12-2014, 05:31 PM
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Hagar, I agree that riding 2 abreast is dangerous, especially where there is little room to begin with.

I don't know Mike Sidonino so can't comment. I use lots of deodorant to broaden my appeal.

Merry Christmas, and forget your worries for a while

Edit: Just googled Mike S. - didn't realise it was strongmanmike. Still, I don't understand what you mean. What I do understand is the road rules, and for the purposes of this discussion, they are all that matters.

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Old 22-12-2014, 06:38 PM
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Mike S on a push bike would just broaden..... But not his appeal, you couldn't pass him.
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Old 22-12-2014, 08:51 PM
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What a load of dribble.
Wow... Nerve well-and-truly touched, huh?

I'm not referring to car-bicycle interactions. It's just that most drivers (certainly most males) consider driving to be a way to demonstrate a bit of alphaness. It's a recipe for disaster when you combine that attitude with the abysmal skill level of most drivers (and specifically the people reading this and thinking "He doesn't mean me, I'm an awesome driver!").
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Wow... Nerve well-and-truly touched, huh?

I'm not referring to car-bicycle interactions. It's just that most drivers (certainly most males) consider driving to be a way to demonstrate a bit of alphaness. It's a recipe for disaster when you combine that attitude with the abysmal skill level of most drivers (and specifically the people reading this and thinking "He doesn't mean me, I'm an awesome driver!").
I just stumbled onto this thread ..............

Having read one persons posts I get the feeling that the "valley where he lives" is populated by people who are all related to each other and have a couple of spare thumbs each. Some seriously warped attitudes. As for the argument that a driver pays a lot for the privilege (in registration fees etc) the annual fees paid by any one motorist would earn them about 3 square metres of bitumen, not enough to park a car on let alone drive. I would enter some emoticons here but I think that persons attitudes are real .......
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Most cyclists also own a car and so pay rego. In my case I pay what the govt reckons is the cost of wear and tear cause by a 2t car doing the average number of km pa. If instead I ride my bike to work I only cause 100kg worth of damage. I also go entirely by quiet back streets away from traffic, whereas if I drove I would be on the motorway contributing to the congestion. My wife and I also walk to the shops when we can and so don't fill up the car parks. As a result our car does less than 10,000km pa (2-4000 of that is on the annual holiday and a lot of the rest is weekend picnics/bushwalks). So we are actually subsidising heavy road users!

I've recently noticed a couple of reports on public health in the media. First, serious cyclists (ie can ride 100km in 6.5hrs) are about the healthiest people in society (surprise!) and their biological age does not increase with their calendar age. Second, there is a strong correspondence between how people get to work and their health. The healthiest are those who ride or walk, next best those who use public transport (because that involves some incidental walking), then those who use cars and the worst outcome is those who have a company car (presumably because they also get a reserved parking spot next to their office). Keeping healthy is obviously good for the individual but the decrease in morbidity is also good for the public health system. [The only cyclists there are courtesy of inconsiderate motorists .] Again, cyclists are subsidising those with less healthy lifestyle choices.

So, far from cursing cyclists, the next time you see someone on a bike you should go down on one knee (if you can manage that!) and thank them for their contribution to society.
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As far as I know in Victoria cyclists are only allowed to ride two abreast on double lane roads, otherwise is single file.
When I was taught to ride...and I mean taught by the old guys in the bike club in Tassie in the mid eighties, car drivers did give a toot before overtaking...greated by a friendly wave by riders.
It is sad to see so many crap riders out there...usually in that horrible fluro orange or green, or even worse yellow, with cable ties sticking out the top of their helmets.
Bring back the good 'ol days
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:07 PM
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So, far from cursing cyclists, the next time you see someone on a bike you should go down on one knee (if you can manage that!) and thank them for their contribution to society.
Does that apply to Tony Rabbit as well????

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Have you been getting lessons from Mike Sidonio on using little pictures to broaden your appeal on the forum?
I'm actually really jealous of you Dougie, it's true, you've always had such a knack of finding a way to say nice warm things about people you don't need the little pictures, sheesh, I'm the one that needs lessons I'll try harder, promise
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