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Old 02-10-2014, 10:00 AM
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I am pleased with my Pentax 10x50s

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Old 23-10-2014, 03:08 PM
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Just a tip you may or may not be aware of ......

Hold your binoculars with your hand around the objective end (the big end !!!) rather than the usual grip near the prisms, it makes it much much easier to keep them steady.
For best stability, you want to hold the binoculars close to their centre of gravity. You can work out where that is by holding them lightly between the forefinger and thumb on each barrel, and moving back and forth until they don't rock when held with very light pressure on each hand.

If you are gripping heavy binoculars away from their CoG, you have to hold them tighter to stop them tilting, and this induces image shake and physical fatigue. If you can hold them in a balanced position, you can grip them much more lightly but still keep the image shakes under control. The bigger and heavier the binoculars (and the higher their magnification), the bigger this issue becomes.

For roof prism binoculars with their straight-through barrels, it is pretty easy to grip the binoculars close to their CoG so that they are well-balanced.

For "standard" sized Porro binoculars (e.g. 8x40, 10x50 or similar), the CoG is usually roughly at the front of the main body which houses the prisms, so holding them in the "natural" position with your hands on each side of the main body, with perhaps just your little fingers curling over towards the objective barrels, puts your hands pretty close to the centre of gravity. You may find they are actually still slightly "heavy" at the objective end, so if you find you are getting fatigued and / or shaky images, try moving your grip a finger-width or so towards the objectives to get a better balance.

However, for most "giant" binoculars (e.g. 15x70 etc), which have much longer barrels compared to the size of the prism body, and much bigger heavier objectives, you will find that the CoG can be well forward of the front of the prism body. The best place to hold these binoculars can be with three fingers (or maybe even four) and your thumbs gripping the barrels just in front of the main prism body, and perhaps your index fingers lightly gripping the prism body. (You probably don't want to be right up at the objective end, because then your binoculars will probably be "tail heavy".)

Experiment with your own binoculars to find their optimum balance point, as every design will put the CoG in a slightly different location. It can make a world of difference in image stability, comfort and fatigue if you are holding them close to their balance point.
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Old 24-10-2014, 02:07 PM
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I just sold my 15x70's because I didn't want to use bino's on a mount anymore. Believe it when people say you can't hand hold 15x bino's. 11x70's will be okay, but factor in the weight of them. A pair like the Resolux that I had are heavy and even their 11x70's would be hard to hand hold for any length of time.
A pair of 10x50s are light and compact enough to be held steady for extended periods, but most people find the bigger and heavier 15x70s (or similar) can definitely test your endurance after a short period.

My tripods just aren't the right size and shape for convenient binocular stargazing use while sitting in a comfortable chair (you really need a parallelogram arm for this), and of course the higher magnification of a 15x70 only amplifies the shakes for hand-held use. However, a monopod can work well - if you have one.

I found that folding up the legs of a tripod to make a monopod works very well (especially with the pan / tilt head) - get yourself comfortable in your chair, plant the base of the “monopod” on the ground ahead of you, and lean it back to bring the binoculars up to your face, and then use the pan / tilt to get the alignment just right; then lock the pan / tilt, and you have a nice steady platform which requires virtually no arm support other than a bit of light guiding.

I have also found that a small table-top tripod can also make a handy “pistol grip” mount, which allows you to hand-hold heavy binoculars much more steadily than conventional hand-held use. I fold the three legs together to make a single “grip” for my left hand, and turn the pan / tilt handle 90 degrees to the right (rather than it's normal orientation in-line with the binoculars); then holding the pan / tilt handle in my right hand, it is actually possible to hold the binoculars much more steadily and comfortably than the normal handheld position. I'm not sure why this is - it’s probably because your arms are comfortably resting down on your chest rather than being held elbows-out in front of your chest, but if you doubt me, try it - it might work for you too!
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Old 24-10-2014, 04:04 PM
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I recently got a pair of Canon 12x36 IS II binoculars. Wonderful. The image stabilization allows you to see at least 1 mag deeper, and it's almost like looking through your own eyes. I now take these out with me on any observing session - they have a 5 degree TFOV, and so perfectly complement a telescope, without the hassle of setting up a tripod. I like my 15 x 70s, but they're just too heavy to keep steady, and so mostly stay in the cupboard.

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Old 24-10-2014, 10:21 PM
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Im thinking maybe 15*70mm, or 11*70. I would love 20*80 but I dont think its doable without a mount of some sort,
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Danial, These bino holders are easy to make. I made 2 sets for myself and 4 sets for friends.One pic shows him backing up to a pole which really does improve the stability. Cheers.
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Old 28-10-2014, 11:45 PM
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Smile A couple of options I have considered

I got myself a pair of Pentax Whitetail 10x50s from the US after a viewing night a couple of weekends ago through a friend's set. Seemed nice and clear and could hold reasonably steady. Only around $70 - $80 AUD + postage. Some people can hold 12x but that is pretty much the limit and I can tell you I held 10x binos and still could see wobble at times. Definitely a tripod or some sort of holders (or image stabilisation) is needed.

I did also grab a pair of Celestron SkyMaster 25x100s and they definitely need a mount. Got on recommendation from astronomy club and reviews. Again grabbed from US as they were between 1/2 to 1/4 of the price than in Oz (not sure why the markup is so high even with the exchange rate?).

One of the experienced members of the club told me about the Canons (12x36s) image stabilised which sounded fantastic but to be honest after I heard the price I backed off However, a number of people I have spoken to think image stabilised binos are the best. mind you I have seen some pretty expensive binos where you can even change the eyepieces (think the brand was Lunt?) but then you are paying the price of a telescope. budget can't cope with that kind of money outlay!

The bino holders look interesting and might give a go if my tripod turns out not to cut the mustard.
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Old 29-10-2014, 11:21 AM
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I got myself a pair of Pentax Whitetail 10x50s from the US after a viewing night a couple of weekends ago through a friend's set. Seemed nice and clear and could hold reasonably steady. Only around $70 - $80 AUD + postage. Some people can hold 12x but that is pretty much the limit and I can tell you I held 10x binos and still could see wobble at times. Definitely a tripod or some sort of holders (or image stabilisation) is needed.

I did also grab a pair of Celestron SkyMaster 25x100s and they definitely need a mount. Got on recommendation from astronomy club and reviews. Again grabbed from US as they were between 1/2 to 1/4 of the price than in Oz (not sure why the markup is so high even with the exchange rate?).

One of the experienced members of the club told me about the Canons (12x36s) image stabilised which sounded fantastic but to be honest after I heard the price I backed off However, a number of people I have spoken to think image stabilised binos are the best. mind you I have seen some pretty expensive binos where you can even change the eyepieces (think the brand was Lunt?) but then you are paying the price of a telescope. budget can't cope with that kind of money outlay!

The bino holders look interesting and might give a go if my tripod turns out not to cut the mustard.
The Canons are terrific, and have excellent optics: as sharp to the edge as any I have looked through (including Zeiss, Leica and almost as good as Swarovski), so while you pay a premium they are not as much as these "top" brands and when the stabilising kicks in they show an amazing amount for such small binos.

Oberwerk produce 70mm and 100mm binos that you can change the eyepieces with. See: http://www.bigbinoculars.com/70bt45.htm

Have fun with your now binos,

All the best,

Dean
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Old 29-10-2014, 11:37 PM
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The Canons are terrific, and have excellent optics: as sharp to the edge as any I have looked through (including Zeiss, Leica and almost as good as Swarovski), so while you pay a premium they are not as much as these "top" brands and when the stabilising kicks in they show an amazing amount for such small binos.

Oberwerk produce 70mm and 100mm binos that you can change the eyepieces with. See: http://www.bigbinoculars.com/70bt45.htm

Have fun with your now binos,

All the best,

Dean
Thanks I will when I receive them. I would go for image stabilised but do not have the funds for that because I am looking at a telescope at the moment. if I had the money for those binos I would get a pair - everyone seems to love them.
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