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Old 11-06-2014, 08:41 PM
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Old 11-06-2014, 09:42 PM
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been surfing around the net found bintel have a 12 inch for around $850. Have anyone had experience with these? (well within budget) or an I better off with a collapsible 10 " skywatcher for $1030 or the same but Saxon for $1000. Hey I now get it more bang for your buck with a do band I'll get to see more. Bit chunky for transporting but if I can get great images then I can live with that (40kg all up is a work out)
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Old 11-06-2014, 09:50 PM
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Excellent stuff. Passed this link on to some of my mates.

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hey Jeremy do these cover Southern Hemisphere.. thinking may take these to office works and get them laminated in a3. got a few iPhone apps that work well
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Old 11-06-2014, 10:12 PM
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been surfing around the net found bintel have a 12 inch for around $850. Have anyone had experience with these? (well within budget) or an I better off with a collapsible 10 " skywatcher for $1030 or the same but Saxon for $1000. Hey I now get it more bang for your buck with a do band I'll get to see more. Bit chunky for transporting but if I can get great images then I can live with that (40kg all up is a work out)
Hello Peter,

I have a 250mm Skywatcher goto dob. This is my "grab and go" 'scope. It is very easy to setup and use. Main thing is that it does need collimation after a trip over corrugated roads. it is a very nice scope and I use it for public viewing nights where I would not want to take my imaging stuff for people to play around with.

I transport it on the back seat of the Holden Colorado it takes a bit to get it in through the back door. I would not want the scope to be any bigger. putting this unit in the tray will need some shock mounting as there is not enough weight in the back to get a smooth ride.

I made the mistake of buying the simple version ( no GoTo ) and a year or so later I bought the GoTo upgrade .... Bad mistake as this was the very expensive thing to do. the upgrade consists of a new base and all the electronics etc. and almost costs as much a the goto unit on its own!!

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Old 11-06-2014, 10:50 PM
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you and Rom have been great help. tell me the difference between the the 10" (250mm) and the 8" (200mm) skywatcher collapsible Goto scopes is the extra $320 justified. As a newbie would I pick the difference if they are side by side?
How collapsible is collapsible. ? Do I still need a laser guide to collminate?
I'm leaning towards the 8" as it just a bit easier to transport it will need to fit in a Sv6 Commodore, no kids so back seat is free.

Rom what's your opinion. tomorrow could be the big day
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Old 12-06-2014, 07:07 AM
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Jeremy
you and Rom have been great help. tell me the difference between the the 10" (250mm) and the 8" (200mm) skywatcher collapsible Goto scopes is the extra $320 justified. As a newbie would I pick the difference if they are side by side?
How collapsible is collapsible. ? Do I still need a laser guide to collminate?
I'm leaning towards the 8" as it just a bit easier to transport it will need to fit in a Sv6 Commodore, no kids so back seat is free.

Rom what's your opinion. tomorrow could be the big day
thanks peter
I wouldn't hesitate going for the 10" . It has a bit over 50% higher light grasp compared to the 8" (Square the radius 25 V 16). OTA will be a bit over a 1m long I reckon. Laser collimator is okay but you can eyeball pretty good alignment.

However, if you still asking questions, wait a bit until you have them answered before buying and don't forget the classifieds. These scope come up regularly and a lot cheaper than buying new.

Also, its winter and somewhat chilly atm

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Old 12-06-2014, 08:17 AM
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I wouldn't hesitate going for the 10" . It has a bit over 50% higher light grasp compared to the 8" (Square the radius 25 V 16). OTA will be a bit over a 1m long I reckon. Laser collimator is okay but you can eyeball pretty good alignment.

However, if you still asking questions, wait a bit until you have them answered before buying and don't forget the classifieds. These scope come up regularly and a lot cheaper than buying new.

Also, its winter and somewhat chilly atm

Rom
Logical answer to:

1) Is the added $320.00, for the 250mm , cf. 200mm, good Value?

Well the ratio of diameters is : 1: 1.25

The 250mm has an area of 1.56 greater. (Almost 60% collection area)
The volume is 1.95 times greater. (Almost 2x bigger, heavier , more stable)

The 250mm is a substantially bigger telescope. On this argument, for an extra $320.00, BUY IT !!

2) Will it fit in the SV6 Commodore ?
You be the judge based on:

Refer to the attached picture of the 250mm instrument :

Collapsed: Height of the OTA is 800mm
Diameter of the OTA is 350mm
With protrusions one needs 400mm to house it comfortably.

Fully extended the OTA is 1125mm long

Height of stand is 800mm
Base diameter is 520mm

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Old 12-06-2014, 11:10 AM
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My 10" Flex Dob fits easily into my Corolla hatch, and visually definitely
a step up from my 8" EQ Newt.
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Old 12-06-2014, 12:09 PM
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Rom you are correct I still have questions for you Jeremy (Anyone else ).
Let's start with eye pieces. The unit comes with 10mm & 25 mm So to be a bit techno should get magnification of 120x and 48x (Focal length scope/ focal length eye piece?? )
Is that enough ? there is a celestron kit for $100 the has 6mm and 15 mm plus a 2x "Barlow" and a few filters. Doesn't sound like a bad deal.
But I await your opinions.
Next question is powering the syn scan can you use 240v using the correct adapter. What about batteries for remote locations?
Don't have anything else to question think that's about it please let me know if I have anything else to consider.
To recap Skywatcher 10" Goto Dob is what I will look at getting bit over budget but what the hell.
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Old 12-06-2014, 03:32 PM
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Rom you are correct I still have questions for you Jeremy (Anyone else ).
Let's start with eye pieces. The unit comes with 10mm & 25 mm So to be a bit techno should get magnification of 120x and 48x (Focal length scope/ focal length eye piece?? )
Is that enough ? there is a celestron kit for $100 the has 6mm and 15 mm plus a 2x "Barlow" and a few filters. Doesn't sound like a bad deal.
But I await your opinions.
Next question is powering the syn scan can you use 240v using the correct adapter. What about batteries for remote locations?
Don't have anything else to question think that's about it please let me know if I have anything else to consider.
To recap Skywatcher 10" Goto Dob is what I will look at getting bit over budget but what the hell.
Here is a little write up as to how you may select a range of magnifications and eyepieces for a start. after this we could talk about the actual eyepieces.
Over budget eh? Peter. Well you only live once.

About powering the Synscan outfit. I use a 12v, 20ah gel battery - lasts about 10 hours per charge ... I have not run it down yet

The thing to watch out here is that if the battery is large, like mine, and cannot ride on the turn table you have to keep an eye on the cable. A point can be reached when the mount is slewing in azimuth when the cable will be stretched and pull out of the connector or worse damage the connector.

Eyepieces? Do Not go over board.

Stick with the supplied eyepieces but attend a viewing night organised by the local astronomy club or society and test everyone else's eyepieces on your 'scope before making a decision! Selecting eyepieces can be daunting and the cost can be very high.

How to select an eyepiece range:

Firstly look at a range of magnifications that you may require, say from x40 to x400
Ie. a range of 10 : 1 and how many steps (eyepieces) you may require. Say you require 5 eyepieces to cover the range. To make a range of eyepiece focal lengths use the following, choose any two points (A and B) and calculate the middle point as being the geometric mean ie. SquareRoot( A.B)

1) Choose the end points , x 40 and x 400, and obtain the magnification for the centre of the range as follows :

Magnification at the middle: SquareRoot (40 x 400) = 126.49

2) Calculate the next lower magnification : SquareRoot(40. X 126.49) = 71.13

3) Calculate the next higher magnification: SquareRoot (400 x 126.49) = 224.94

So we have a range of magnifications:

x40 x71 x126.5. x225 x400

Note how each magnification may be obtained by multiplying the previous magnification by 1.77 or say 1.8.
That is why we have a commonly available Barlow Lens of x 1.8

Now calculate the eyepiece focal lengths:

30 mm , 17mm, 9.5mm, 5.3mm, 3mm

Select a "good" x1.8 Barlow Lens and Voila, You have a 10 speed telescope with good transition between speeds.

Interestingly the range of resistors follows this rule and so does the ratio of gears in a manual 4WD

Notice the eyepiece range of Televue , Vixen, Takahashi etc. correspond to the rule above.

We can talk about types of eyepieces next if you like.

Jeremy

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Old 12-06-2014, 04:14 PM
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So we have a range of magnifications:

x40 x71 x126.5. x225 x400

Now calculate the eyepiece focal lengths:

30 mm , 17mm, 9.5mm, 5.3mm, 3mm
Sounds good in theory but in the field you will find the gap between 126x and 225x too much and will want to observe at between 150x to 180x more often than not as seeing permits. Also 400x is for rare occasions and a better high power eyepiece may be something that gives 250x to 270x maybe 300x.

There are also many options at the low power end depending on whether you want 2" eyepieces and what apparent field you are after.

Note too 1.8x Barlows were available some time ago but they are not that common now and even. Tele Vue have dropped the 1.8x and 2.5x Barlows from their line-up in favour of 2x and 3x Barlows. (2.5x available as Powermate).
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Old 12-06-2014, 05:46 PM
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Sounds good in theory but in the field you will find the gap between 126x and 225x too much and will want to observe at between 150x to 180x more often than not as seeing permits. Also 400x is for rare occasions and a better high power eyepiece may be something that gives 250x to 270x maybe 300x.

There are also many options at the low power end depending on whether you want 2" eyepieces and what apparent field you are after.

Note too 1.8x Barlows were available some time ago but they are not that common now and even. Tele Vue have dropped the 1.8x and 2.5x Barlows from their line-up in favour of 2x and 3x Barlows. (2.5x available as Powermate).
Points Taken.

I chose magnifications just for example. What eyepieces and magnifications visual astronomers use is really upto them to make the judgements based on the optics etc. as for Barlows I do not use them as my imaging does not include planetary stuff.

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Old 12-06-2014, 08:04 PM
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more info

thanks guys
it sounds like eye pieces and barrows are another science which I understand where you are comming from. Quite happy to revisit this once I have the scope home and tried a it out. Your advice about local astro society is a good one.
Jeremy just to get this right in my head your talking about a battery similar to those used in golf carts. Interested to see how the power system is actually laid out. What are the connections. is it a 240v with a DC Adapter? or or a 12 v system.? I do have a 12v 240v inverter all I need is a deep cell battery for remote locations.
You also mentioned earlier about driving on rough roads and recollimating. how do you do this are you using a whizzy laser thing that plugs into your eye piece.? or is there another way.?
This is all good stuff and really helping confidence in knowing I'm getting the right thing. BTW has anyone attached wheels to the base to move short distances? Thinking of wheeling it in and out of tool shed.
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Old 14-06-2014, 08:12 AM
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today's big day

About to head off to Bintell in melb to buy a Orion SkyQuest XT10G.
Solid tube rather than collapsible. As it turned out there are only 2 Skywatcher Flex tubes left and delivery is 3 weeks but some issues with supplier. So I found the orion. Decided to go all out and buy A few extra bits but will wait till I talk with Bintell They are just so helpful.
The Sky quest is also a go to scopes with similar specs as the Skywatcher.
It only really comes with one eye piece 28mm so Question is do I buyTelevue Plossl 8mm 15mm.And a Barlow ( 2x or 3x) or do I buy the Bintel box ? Which has 32,20,15,& 12. My friend who has the 5 " Televue recommends 8,13'21 in the Ethos range but that is well past my budget.
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Old 14-06-2014, 12:06 PM
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Hi Peter, If you really wanted a Flex Dob, you could have got one elsewhere.
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Old 14-06-2014, 06:09 PM
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true yes could have however was able to save $ by getting it myself also found that the solid tube was cheaper than the flex tube which allowed me to pick up some extra eye pieces. If I was to do the same then would have been over a $2,000 which was well over the budget. It's always a compromise between what's affordable what result is achievable. As it turns out no problem fitting in the car
I have just finished setting it up and now wait for a clear night.
to everyone who gave there advice and guidance a big thank you if I have any other issues I will check back in
thanks guys
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Old 14-06-2014, 06:14 PM
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Welcome to the fold, and happy viewing.
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Old 14-06-2014, 06:27 PM
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to everyone who gave there advice and guidance a big thank you if I have any other issues I will check back in
thanks guys
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Old 14-06-2014, 09:00 PM
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I don't see it as screwed up I see it "enlightened".
Can you tell me about filters understand looking at the moon (which I will need to get a moon filter) but why else.?
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Old 14-06-2014, 11:36 PM
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Hi Peter, I've been observing for 67 years, and have never had or wanted a moon filter. Just put your eye about 6" from the eyepiece so you can see the moon, and move your eye slowly up to the eyepiece over about
10 seconds or so. Your eye will adjust to the brightness surprisingly
quickly. After the adjustment is complete you can look at a full moon
without discomfort.
Various filters are useful for enhancing features on the planets, and certain nebulae. Go to the Astro Shop website and
download their comprehensive list of filters and their specific uses.
cheers raymo

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