Whales a bit safer

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by noeyedeer

who's going to protect the whales in the north?! it's a one sided deal. yeah Australia is happy and the whale watching boats and tourism etc .. but the whales still are not happy, they're still hunted.

should we put up dolphin proof nets because some dude got wacked by a dolphin and hurt himself in the sea .. did we hunt down that violent dolphin. I bet if it were a shark we would've ..

don't talk about whaling when we kill more sharks for tourism. on a global scale over 100,000,000 sharks are killed per year

domestic cats and dogs are number one killers of native animals .. etc .. where do we draw the line for the rights for animals? sorry but it's something I pay (donate) money for and feel strongly about.

matt

Totally agree Matt, but its a one sided deal only because individuals allow it to be. You have to approach the protection of wildlife and country from a variety of perspectives, preferably backed by Science and economics. That's why I said "a bit safer". How many of us are prepared to do more and what can one person do?

Well, here is my two cents worth:
- I try not to buy Japanese, sorry Takahashi. Second hand maybe, not new.
- Sea Shepperd gets $ on a regular basis.
- I am prepared to speak out to protect habitat, despite the morons in power down here.
- I bought and protect a 35 acre habitat remnant.
- I rehabilitate native wildlife and have dispatched many ferals.
- I've planted 20,000+ trees.
- I recycle and conserve where I can.
- I avoid planes like the plague.
- I try to live "smaller"
- I talk to anyone who is interested.
- I take rubbish away from places I visit, simple but effective.
- I set a personal example for my own children
etc etc

Of course, never enough; its a work in progress but I like to see the land change over time, for the better, and attitudes are changing but don't wait for government; they're owned by big business.

oh no, controversy.



Want to do something astro orientated? Look at this thread http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...d.php?t=119032
Flame the owner of the sign and protest your head off.

[noeyedeer (Matt)]

people like you Rom are few and far between. if I could I would do more for animals, afterall they're silent victims without a voice.

I wasn't sledging this outcome, but more can be done worldwide .. afterall, species are being extinct on a ever increasing scale and one day humanity will be listed.

I commend you for your efforts, and with reflection to the government .. the liberals don't care about animal welfare or habitat loss .. or anything to do with environment.

sad but true

matt

[el_draco (Rom)]

It actually applies to all sides of politics at various times, usually when they get to line their own pockets... alas, even the Greens. Plenty you can do at home. Kill the grass, dispose of the lawnmower and plant native ground covers, make soaks and partially bury pipes for habitat holes. Grow some of your own food and support farmers markets etc etc.

I'm no saint by any measure but I work at it. ;-) I just got sick of seeing crap everywhere I went. In the last 30 years, I have seen just 1 pristine beach. Damn that's sad.

Rom

[Varangian (John)]

Originally Posted by noeyedeer

some island off Norway still do whale kulls on it's beaches. they drive the pod into a fjord and massacre them with spears and knives along the shore.

it's a shame but they liken this to us eating beef, chickens etc. and they have been doing this forever so I don't know... I think it's wrong. they could just produce synthetic whale meat .. like spam lol

hopefully they can put a ban on shark finning. it's just as barbaric, and it's wasteful, throwing a finless shark back into the water to sink and drown.

matt

This is a traditional practice using traditional methods and implements and was first supposedly done during a previous Ice Age when terrestrial food resources 'dried up'. There are archaeological data to support this. This is completely different to getting in a boat and travelling for thousands of kms shooting Whales with WMDs.

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by Varangian

This is a traditional practice using traditional methods and implements and was first supposedly done during a previous Ice Age when terrestrial food resources 'dried up'. There are archaeological data to support this. This is completely different to getting in a boat and travelling for thousands of kms shooting Whales with WMDs.

Totally agree with this. I don't like to see whales die but this is a complicated situation and a sustainable practice. Probably more importantly, it an "arms length" process; the hunter stands as much chance of dying as the whale. Slightly different than a fragmentation grenade launch by a *&%$CG from a mega-thousand ton mobile slaughterhouse.

I wont add further to this thread. I spent my morning planting some more trees, I guess actions speak more than any number of thousand words.... Black cockatoo's are around and my new, largely barren, garden is starting to attract birds, bandicoots, possums, wooblies and a host of invertebrates, amphibians and other stuff I have not even found yet.... Beats the buzz of a lawn mower any day of the week.

Cheers folks

Rom

[noeyedeer (Matt)]

Originally Posted by Varangian

This is a traditional practice using traditional methods and implements and was first supposedly done during a previous Ice Age when terrestrial food resources 'dried up'. There are archaeological data to support this. This is completely different to getting in a boat and travelling for thousands of kms shooting Whales with WMDs.

they travel far enough in their non traditional motor boats to coax the pod into the fjord. I'm sure centuries (eons) ago the whales mistakingly found their way.

traditional or not it's no excuse in this day and age. if they didn't rely on modern technology, like png head hunters, I would say fair game.

the sea Shepard seems to think it needs to end as well.
this is for Norway, www.seashepherd.org/whales/norway.html
I will find the one for that island ...and sorry Norway, it's the Danish...
http://www.seashepherd.org/whales/da...e-islands.html

I will have to agree to disagree sorry.

matt

[Varangian (John)]

Originally Posted by noeyedeer

they travel far enough in their non traditional motor boats to coax the pod into the fjord. I'm sure centuries (eons) ago the whales mistakingly found their way.

traditional or not it's no excuse in this day and age. if they didn't rely on modern technology, like png head hunters, I would say fair game.

the sea Shepard seems to think it needs to end as well.
this is for Norway, www.seashepherd.org/whales/norway.html
I will find the one for that island ...and sorry Norway, it's the Danish...
http://www.seashepherd.org/whales/da...e-islands.html

I will have to agree to disagree sorry.

matt

So I guess Aboriginal people using shotguns to hunt kangaroos and emus in the outback is out too unfortunately the use of spear throwers is a lost art and people in the community have to eat.

We'll agree to disagree then.

[noeyedeer (Matt)]

Originally Posted by Varangian

So I guess Aboriginal people using shotguns to hunt kangaroos and emus in the outback is out too unfortunately the use of spear throwers is a lost art and people in the community have to eat.

We'll agree to disagree then.

farmers hunt kangaroos too. we all know with white settlement kangaroo numbers have increased because of forest degredation ... there's more grazing land ... they're at pest levels because of us .. lol

i don't see any whale on the pest list

geez .. and I'm sure a lot of aboriginal tribes still hunt with spears. even goannas that are endangered because if toads .. etc
matt

we are the only country to eat their national animal emblem

[Varangian (John)]

It's great that whales are protected but I'm more concerned about pollutants identified in whale meat more than the Faroe Island community killing 600 pilot whales a year. The pilot is not endangered and that's where my problem with Japan lies - hunting endangered animals like the humpback. The other difference between Japanese whaling and the Faroes is the Japanese whaling is commercialized and Faroe Island whaling is organized by the community and all whale meat is distributed across the community. I'm a realist and would ultimately like to see the Faroe Islands halve their annual intake (which given the amount of mercury in these pilots is now starting to happen) , but if the Sea Shepard had their way there would be no pilots for the Faroese and is that right? I wonder what the Sea Shepard make of Aboriginal people hunting their traditional food with shotguns.

[Varangian (John)]

Originally Posted by noeyedeer

farmers hunt kangaroos too. we all know with white settlement kangaroo numbers have increased because of forest degredation ... there's more grazing land ... they're at pest levels because of us .. lol

i don't see any whale on the pest list

geez ..
matt

we are the only country to eat their national animal emblem

Ok now I know you position - it's about population densities rather than macabre practices. What's your issue with Pilots then, there are now estimated to be over 1,000,000 of them (at least).

[noeyedeer (Matt)]

I don't agree with it either if they use shotguns .. specially if it's within protected areas .. they should be hunted traditionally.

I'm not trying to say one side is better or not.. when tradition is involved it should be traditionally

maybe the sea Shepard needs to be amphibious....

matt

[noeyedeer (Matt)]

Originally Posted by Varangian

Ok now I know you position - it's about population densities rather than macabre practices. What's your issue with Pilots then, there are now estimated to be over 1,000,000 of them (at least).

pilots .. as in airplane ones? ask mh 340 ....

[jenchris (Jennifer)]

There's a million foxes in Victoria as well - but they eat quolls as well as bunnies. We shoudl be culling the dickens out of them

[noeyedeer (Matt)]

wow 1 million pilot whales compared to 7billion people .. hmm ....

[noeyedeer (Matt)]

Originally Posted by jenchris

There's a million foxes in Victoria as well - but they eat quolls as well as bunnies. We shoudl be culling the dickens out of them

if they're a pest so be it a d an introduced species ... no one cares about toads either in qld ...

matt

[noeyedeer (Matt)]

Originally Posted by jenchris

There's a million foxes in Victoria as well - but they eat quolls as well as bunnies. We shoudl be culling the dickens out of them

myxamotosis was to kill bunnies lol ...

[noeyedeer (Matt)]

I'm going to bite my tongue. sad thread that so many people are so uninformed with our technology ... seems it's worth more then animals .. pest or not ... they need humane methods of death.

matt

[Varangian (John)]

Sorry I'm not trying to be a smart &$@ but it's bloody hard trying to hunt kangaroos with spears - but everything else iz done traditionally (often stone tools to cut the meat, the meat is distributed to old elders first etc.) I imagine it would be bloody hard trying to feed 3000 Faroese as well using canoes to round up the pod. Anyway nuff from me, my issue is whether the species is endangered and I think that as humpback whales are still in this category that Japan should not be allowed to take their quota of 50 per year.

[Varangian (John)]

Originally Posted by noeyedeer

wow 1 million pilot whales compared to 7billion people .. hmm ....

But there's not 7 billion people eating them...hunting them. you must eat lettuce. What about Tuna do you eat them - pest right?

[noeyedeer (Matt)]

Originally Posted by Varangian

But there's not 7 billion people eating them...hunting them. you must eat lettuce. What about Tuna do you eat them - pest right?

I disagree with their so called tradition. no I hate tuna ... and ir I did eat eat it wouldn't be from long line "traditions". sorry I'm not a vegan, I like protein ..

speaking of tuna they will be endangered soon .. yellowfin especially because it's so prized

matt