Not Safe - Page 2

mick pinner · #21 14-07-2006, 05:18 PM

it makes the criminals feel all warm and fuzzy knowing that little Johnny has taken all the guns away from law abiding citizens, no way to deter them from home invasions, it is putting families and loved ones at risk, the thought that someone may have a gun in their home would make a lot of these low lifes think twice.

mickoking · #22 14-07-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mick pinner

it makes the criminals feel all warm and fuzzy knowing that little Johnny has taken all the guns away from law abiding citizens, no way to deter them from home invasions, it is putting families and loved ones at risk, the thought that someone may have a gun in their home would make a lot of these low lifes think twice.

Pollies are the main culprits. Johnny H takes away all the guns and he has a warm and fuzzy existance. No wonder Australia is the 139th happiest country in the world.

casstony · #23 14-07-2006, 05:30 PM

I'd recommend a Rhodesian Ridgeback - nice temperament, very protective of the family, not prone to attacking without cause like a pitbull. I ran into one of these when I first met my wife's family - the dog wouldn't let me in the front door until until I'd been well and truly approved by its owners.

Tony

xelasnave · #24 14-07-2006, 05:34 PM

The problems come from the drug laws. The cost of smack and its extreme addictive qualities will see no other result. The hipocracy that should be addressed is the fact that something as devestating as alchol is legal and smack is not. Give the junkies their dope for their sickness and they wont steal...further that will not create more junkies the fact that it is cheap.. beer is cheap yet not everyone is a drunk.. addictons are the result of something untreated. It is easy to blame the junkies and they have reason to be ridiculed for their stupidity but if it was free or cheap they would not be hitting on the rest of us to support the habit. I would not mind my tax dollar going that way..the increase in tax would be offset be the reduction in insurance premiums and police wages...mmm that is the real problem.. because drugs is big business not only within the drug world but think of the flow ons... Or if we are going to ban drugs lets get real and do it. sitting on the fence with the unhappy current situation is less than acceptable.
alex

jjjnettie (Jeanette) · #25 14-07-2006, 05:44 PM

Do you really want to follow America's lead by have guns in family homes?
I strongly advise you go to the video shop and take out the Doco "Bowling for Columbine."

mick pinner · #26 14-07-2006, 05:54 PM

guns don't kill people, people do. if a person breaks into my home with the ultimate means to harm me or my family ( a gun ) which is only to readily available to the criminal world it should be my right to have the equal means to defend myself.
do you really think that what happened at Columbine would not have happened if guns were banned in America, you can buy an illegal unregistered firearm without much trouble.

wavelandscott (Scott) · #27 14-07-2006, 05:55 PM

What a scary event...

I am glad everyone is okay and that they were not hurt.

What a shame...I thought I left all of this behind when I moved from California...

mickoking · #28 14-07-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by xelasnave

The problems come from the drug laws. The cost of smack and its extreme addictive qualities will see no other result. The hipocracy that should be addressed is the fact that something as devestating as alchol is legal and smack is not. Give the junkies their dope for their sickness and they wont steal...further that will not create more junkies the fact that it is cheap.. beer is cheap yet not everyone is a drunk.. addictons are the result of something untreated. It is easy to blame the junkies and they have reason to be ridiculed for their stupidity but if it was free or cheap they would not be hitting on the rest of us to support the habit. I would not mind my tax dollar going that way..the increase in tax would be offset be the reduction in insurance premiums and police wages...mmm that is the real problem.. because drugs is big business not only within the drug world but think of the flow ons... Or if we are going to ban drugs lets get real and do it. sitting on the fence with the unhappy current situation is less than acceptable.
alex

Highly addictive drugs should be legal to registerd addicts. This would cut off oxygen to the drug lords, reduce the price of drugs to addicts so they won't have to steal and puts addicts in contact with services that can help rehabilitate them from their addictions. again the problem is pollies, their mantra tough on drugs is election fodder. No junkie is going to listen to a pollie when they lecture them on the evils of drug use, get real.

jjjnettie (Jeanette) · #29 14-07-2006, 06:15 PM

Columbine wouldn't have happened if the parents hadn't exercised their rights and bought their emotionally unstable son a gun. He bought his ammo from the local K-Mart.

PS. I'm not phobic about guns, every farm should have one.

mick pinner · #30 14-07-2006, 06:21 PM

l understand your point jjjnettie l just cannot come to terms with the fact that l am not allowed to own a gun for home protection when the government knows full well they are readily available to the criminal element.

xelasnave · #31 14-07-2006, 06:43 PM

The trouble is Mick if you shot someone that will take more out of your life than you can imagine. You would be charged with manslaughter (if you are a good shot) at best and notwithsatnding my references to matters earlier you could possibly be charged with murder. Well the reality of the leagal system it is the waiting for the result that is the real punishement ..not knowing what plans you can make, if you will have any money after it, a job is not that easy to hang on to in the circumstances thru non attendance and simply not being able to keep your mind on work. It takes a long time to get a result. In that time your spare cash will go in legal fees, possibly your house... you may beat it but you never win. Only the system wins.
A water pistol with lemon juice may be safer and just as effective (if you are a good shot).
alex

jjjnettie (Jeanette) · #32 14-07-2006, 06:43 PM

I understand where you are coming from as well Mick.
I think that a hardwood baseball bat to the knees would do the job just as well, and doesn't leave a bluddy mess to clean up afterwards. LOL

Starkler (Geoff) · #33 14-07-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by astrogeek

My understanting is that he (if he is caught) will be charged with aggravated assult, breaking and entering and motor vehicle theft.

He stole the van under threat of injury or death with a weapon. How about armed robbery ? That can be worth 10 years.

I have had my own experiences with burglars almost 2 years ago but fortunately (perhaps for him) I didnt meet the scumbag.
On the wednesday my work vehicle was broken into with approx 28k worth of equipment stolen. The following monday he came back and did my house too

He had opened my eyepiece case for a squiz but fortunately didnt see anything there of use.

This piece of filth had done about 10 homes in my local area and I believe he just recently got out of jail.

acropolite (Phil) · #34 14-07-2006, 07:05 PM

That's low Leon, I remember a similar low trick that happened to my brother, who at the time was in the final stages of terminal lung cancer. Some lowlives winched his car on to a trailer, then stripped it of what was saleable and left it burned out on the side of the road. They took also got all his tools that were in the boot. His finances were such that he couldn't replace the car for some time and even had to pay to have the car moved from the side of the road to a scrap yard. As long as I live I will never understand how someone could do that to another person, let alone the system that allows that sort of behaviour to prosper.

Argonavis (William) · #35 14-07-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by xelasnave

Anyone want to know how to beat the breath analyser?
alex

don't drink alcohol and drive

xelasnave · #36 14-07-2006, 07:39 PM

This is something that I am not proud of.. The fact that I used to drink not the fact that I could beat being taken in ..I thought that side was rather clever really not smart but clever.
The legislation (unless it has changed in this aspect) effectively says that one can only be tested 20 minutes after your last drink. You will notice the first thing the police man with the tester will ask is “Have you had anything to drink driver?” most if tiddly will answer “Oh I had a 7 oz lite beer before breakfast” this is the answer they want as they can test you and the requirements of the law are met.
Now when one says “Why yes I had two nips of brandy only 10 minutes ago” they must wait 20 minutes. If you are lucky that may take them to tea break so off you go. If you are not falling out of the car and acting totally smashed they will say (will still get you to blow the tube) "you show a reading over the limit, where are you going..” “Around the corner to a mates place, (home whatever but indicate you wont be a problem and by nice…they will then say “well be good be careful and go straight home”.

Does it work?
I think so I have done that on no less than 5 occasions and never a different result.
Main thing is be polite, don’t fall down and don’t slur your words because if you do they will still have you. Just remember “I just had a drink only 10 minutes ago if that"
If you are so drunk you mess up the delivery you deserve to be arrested.
However there is nothing as bad as a reformed any thing and a reformed drinker is no different and if I see anyone drink driving I will report them.. it is really one of the most deadliest crimes and yet our society still is not fairdincum about fixing the drink and drug problem..too many vested dollars involved
My advice will work but the preceeding post is the only way to go.. dont drink and drive..in fact dont drink it is so destructive... and by not drinking think of the tax you save.
alex
Alex

fringe_dweller · #37 14-07-2006, 10:47 PM

thats pretty horrible Leon, these kind of aholes usually dont live very long if thats any consolation - I dont care, theres no excuse for this type of thing

on prevention - this one is off the wall, no one will believe this but I have seen a line of salt sprinkled around the perimeter of a yard defuse very heavy situations twice in my life both times by a good mate who thought he was a kinda wizard (maybe he was? i'm not sure, he was a very smart mad bloke)

One time a mate got information a group of dangerous people known to him were on their way to his house to trash it, in short it was retaliation as my mate was seeking sole custody of his daughter from his crazy ex - long story.
The main guy, the then current partner of mates old ex, was a hard core criminal, spent most of his life in jail for numerous armed robberies - huge list of offending, and two of his cronies, the works if you know what i mean. anyway my mate rang me out of the blue and asked me to go to his and help his brother defend the house and he would come later (his music gear was there and I was in an duo with him, so i had my own interests in protecting it too).
anyway my wizard mate did the anti - evil salt ritual round the perimeter and we stood on front lawn with lengths of 4x2's for protection, and sure enough they soon came and circled around - best part was they were wearing disguises which included huge massive afro/sideshow bob wigs and big sunglasses which made them totaly look like clowns and they were in a little car toboot with the wigs so large they bent back down from the roof of the car (one of the most surreal sights I have ever seen btw)- they eventually pulled over and pointed a brown paper bag with a sawn off .22 poking out the end and pointed it at us and made a few threatening gestures with it and nicked off, and never came back - the main clown guy died young in jail a few years later, unrelatedly.
Maybe the salt perimeter did work?, maybe my mate was a kind of self taught wizard, maybe we were just lucky, but it certainly stuck in my mind

practical magic at work?

netwolf · #38 14-07-2006, 11:12 PM

Let me say i am extreamly Sorry to hear it. Because I as well as society have let it happen.

This type of home invasion really alarms me too. It can happen to anyone. Armed with a screw driver seems to indicate that its most likely a junkie. Drugs are a growing problem as is alchahol abuse, and the school culture of today makes it uncool not to at least try these things. What we need to do is shutdown the culture in kids that endorses substance abuse to be cool. We also need to shutdown drugs, and the best way i know is capital punishment. It seems barbaric but it certainly seems to work for Singapoore and Malyasia. Dont feel sorry or sympathy for someone who has decided to profit from others misery. There simple action of being a mule can cause harm to many others indirectly. Our criminal systems is to soft too sympathetic. It seems barbaric, but its end goal is not. Go to mecca and see jewelers leaving there shops open at time of prayer on fridays and you will question our legal systems effectiveness.

There are to many exploitable loop holes in our legislation that let people off. Some of you might recall the show the practice. There was a case where the police found a body of a nun in the cupboard of the suspect but because the did not have a search warrant he got off. This is our legal system. Now some will claim that such requirments for warrants prottect our rights but do they when so many crimnals get of because it takes to long to get warrants. Soft soft soft.. We need to stnad up and change this system.

You may have heard of the man who has recived only manslaughter and rape for the death and rape of a 2 year old by electracution. This makes my bload boil. To darn soft... how do we let this happen why dont we stand up.

Beyond our borders it happens and it keeps happening to someonelse until someone breaks down our door.. and its hapening to us.. Cry for justice then.. and be counted as the unheard

Regards

casstony · #39 14-07-2006, 11:16 PM

Well, fringe_dweller, whether the salt works or not, you've certianly painted an interesting scene there and amused at least one forum member :-)

Tony

seeker372011 (Narayan) · #40 14-07-2006, 11:17 PM

i feel sick