Can't believe what I saw on the train tonight... - Page 2

Lee · #21 18-06-2013, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AstralTraveller

We have this underclass of dysfunctional parents breeding (often like rabbits) dysfunctional kids ...... Often the friends and relatives of the dysfunctional parents are dysfunctional themselves so the child abuse just seems normal ....

100% true....

This is coupled with a neutered school system too afraid to actually enforce a reasonable standard of behaviour/discipline....

TrevorW · #22 18-06-2013, 08:18 PM

Sorry I would have thumped the *****es grabbed them by the hair and thrown them off the train into a gutter where they belong, people should stand up for themselves as a group support each other that is what a society, community is, we deserve better and will only get it if we defend each other as the law is letting us down in so many ways its getting pathetic

bloodhound31 · #23 18-06-2013, 08:34 PM

Film it on your phone camera and publicly shame them worldwide on you-tube.

telemarker (Keith) · #24 18-06-2013, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bloodhound31

Film it on your phone camera and publicly shame them worldwide on you-tube.

It would be a badge of honour for them.

g__day (Matthew) · #25 18-06-2013, 08:54 PM

Weirdest one I ever had was someone trying to mug me coming of a train late one night at Redfern; only 1) I was alot bigger than him and 2) the Punching bag I was carrying over my shoulder 120lbs was probably bigger then him. I couldn't stop laughing at his mind boggling bad choice. I mean I even looked like a boxer back then; I wasn't - I was training for a full-contact, knockdown karate tournament doing maybe 30 fights a week and all I could think of was a village somewhere is missing an idiot.

The trouble for hooligans is that one day they will pick the wrong person and really regret it. I've trained with a little girl who broke two guys legs when she got mugged at an ATM. She told me later she just him them by reflex once she realised she was being attacked; then she got angry and decided to hurt them - only they didn't get back up! Three blows - under 2 seconds - four broken ribs - two broken thigh bones and a very pissed of martial artist. There are some serious folk out there - why be rude to anyone?

zorkon · #26 18-06-2013, 09:21 PM

This was in Seattle few years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVgP5zH1Kss

more opinion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjnJUdBGqzU

The point is made: if you get involved you are taking the risk of being injured yourself (it could escalate and get serious, they could pull a weapon). But these days you also risk a charge of assault from them - especially if you are a guy. In that video, the boyfriend is remarkably controlled, acts as a 'shield' (taking kicks to the head) and pushing some of them away but does not fight. You might do that for your girlfriend, but would you do that for a stranger?

In your case, I am surprised these girls were not arrested? Especially since they had thrown a bottle and the guy had a gash? Great! They'll just do it again sometime.

DavidU (Dave) · #27 18-06-2013, 09:24 PM

There would have been an "accident", I would have "accidentally" hit their nose with my elbow.
I would not put up with it.

rat156 · #28 18-06-2013, 10:43 PM

Well, I can't believe what I'm reading here.

You people are advocating violence against another person. What an excellent example you are setting.

You are even advocating violence against innocent people (the comment about compulsory sterilisation).

I'm sorry, but I can't discuss the inequities of the current traffic laws in Victoria without the thread being locked or thrown away, yet you people openly advocate violence against other members of the human race.

I am utterly disgusted by the opinions expressed in this thread. I am more disgusted that I am the only person who has replied that has this opinion it seems.

I am disgusted that the moderators and site management let this on thier site.

Good-bye, again.

Stuart

barx1963 (Malcolm) · #29 18-06-2013, 11:23 PM

While I certainly do not in any way condone the behaviour of the 2 young lasses in question, this sort of behaviou has been going on for years. I travelled on the Belgrave/Lilydale between Mont Albert and East Richmond every day for 4 years in the late 70s and then into the City for 2 years after that and poor behaviour was everywhere. Swearing, fighting, drunk people, I was regularly offered drugs etc. And this was one of the better behaved lines.
I have travelled on subways in New York and through South Central LA and felt much safer than I did going to school in Melbourne back in the 70s.
I also agree with Stuart, violence is NOT the answer, unfortunately I do not know what is.

Malcolm

beren · #30 19-06-2013, 02:45 AM

Just a vid to lighten things up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KofPcedJFic

stephenb (Stephen) · #31 19-06-2013, 03:52 AM

Is this your incident?

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/victo...-1226665951514

pfitzgerald (Paul) · #32 19-06-2013, 07:14 AM

Although the incident should never have taken place at all it was good to hear on the news this morning that both girls were detained by police at Clifton Hill where they got off the train and that the older of the two girls was arrested for assaulting police.

multiweb (Marc) · #33 19-06-2013, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by toc

And do what exactly? Hog tie them both? I didnt fancy being punched and kicked in the head by a bunch of drugged up teeenage girls, while I waited for the cops, especially since the train staff do nothing at all to intervene or assist.

You did the right thing.

Staying out of trouble. Intervening would have landed you in a lot of trouble especially when paid staff didn't get involved straight away. People always have their own opinions and great ideas in insight.

I like the idea of taping it and putting it in on youtube for the 'hall of shame'.

Lee · #34 19-06-2013, 08:00 AM

Funny how the news channels censor the assailants faces, yet show us the victim isn't it....
I'm sure we are now paying for a smug little lefty legal aid lawyer or two to defend this trash....

toc (Tim) · #35 19-06-2013, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by stephenb

Is this your incident?

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/victo...-1226665951514

Thats it! Glad someone documented it...

zorkon · #36 19-06-2013, 08:27 AM

I am relieved they were arrested.

toc (Tim) · #37 19-06-2013, 08:32 AM

Interesting to hear from the victim. Next time this sort of thing happens, I will ignore the 'attacker' and try to make the person being attacked feel like they are not alone - perhaps re-assure them that there are witnesses around, etc...

Satchmo · #38 19-06-2013, 09:26 AM

Every one has their own boundaries of personal space- beyond which people can turn violent . I once lost it when a drunkard who took a disliking to me on the train tried to trip me up twice as I alighted the train and was walking the platform. I wasn't charged with anything but it made me realise how close we all are to violence if our personal boundaries are encroached.

Their behaviour was apalling but in swiping someones leg off the seat he was taking the law into his own hands - he could have been knifed - in a way he overstepped a personal boundary and payed a price.He thought being male and big he could assert himself but these girls clearly had other ideas. I'm am as appalled by anyone about their behaviour and I'm pointing out a finer point of what I see happened.

Ric · #39 19-06-2013, 10:38 AM

It's good to see that they were apprehended.

Still they will probably only get a good behavour bond or no conviction if it's a first offence.

TrevorW · #40 19-06-2013, 01:22 PM

What happened to decency, manners, respect for your elders, unfortunately these girls are victims of a modern society, but they should be taught that their type of behavior was totally unacceptable.

Sometimes when dealing with people that have no respect for others a good kick in the ass is what they deserve and will understand.