Carbon tax scrapped

[wulfgar]

Originally Posted by graham.hobart

You should watch Mitchell and Webb do "Homeopathic A&E" - that's a cracker !
Or is the mention of homeopathy asking for trouble? !!

Graz

Yeah, that's just silly. I use purple quatz myself.

[xelasnave]

Can we not find a less offensive word
Are we so devoid of creativity
Anti climate change lobby
Anti global warmer
Can't be that hard

[Astro_Bot]

"Denier, denier, pants on fire" is so easy to remember.

[wulfgar]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Can we not find a less offensive word
Are we so devoid of creativity
Anti climate change lobby
Anti global warmer
Can't be that hard

You're saying they are against all concept of climate change?

And is that GW or AGW?

Denialist pretty much sums it up. This is question of the truth and responsibility.
None of this requires support of the carbon tax lobby. Indeed, knowing the facts it's one free choice to destroy the Earth. But denying the fact is a different matter.
Denying responsibility is the hallmark of insanity!

[xelasnave]

°cMy point is the word denier has special significance
You either get it or you don't
It has nothing to do with any finer point
I thought my point was clear if I have at least tried.to do something about a wrong that I perceive to exist
I think it's use shows a lack of respect for those who perished by diluting the word uses to classify those who denied that such an event occurred
I rest my case

[Retrograde (Pete)]

Denier is a commonly used english word that descibes someone who denies, or is in denial about, something.
The people who think it automatically conflates climate-change deniers with holocaust deniers are largely climate-change deniers themsleves.

Me - I'm offended by people who spout lies about science or arrogantly think they somehow know more about the subject than the acknowledged experts in the field.
I'm even more offended by those who accuse eminent scientists of professional dishonesty (without a shred of real evidence) or those who send climate-scientists death threats or hate-mail for simply doing their job.

[xelasnave]

Well automatically associating me with those against climate chafe etc w
Would be a mistake
Because if you read my personal actions you will may detect a position different to those who write off the science
If you read my thread in the science section that also may hint at my position re science
Thank you for sharing your views I diy t we disagree on anything re climate change
I was unaware others had a similar view
Thank you for your considered reply

[Retrograde (Pete)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Well automatically associating me with those against climate chafe etc w
Would be a mistake

I didn't - apologies if the wording and context of my reply may have unwittingly implied otherwise.

Climate-change deniers wish to be known as "sceptics" but rarely exhibit the traits of genuine scepticism. See this Australian Skeptics Statement:
http://www.skeptics.com.au/latest/an...ange-sceptics/

[xelasnave]

Pete thanks in truth I was not sure but certainly I took no offence
All good

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by graham.hobart

You should watch Mitchell and Webb do "Homeopathic A&E" - that's a cracker !
Or is the mention of homeopathy asking for trouble? !!

Graz

Get some sleep mate... Those girls...

[tlgerdes (Trevor)]

Originally Posted by Astro_Bot

"Denier, denier, pants on fire" is so easy to remember.

I thought "denier" was how your wife/girlfriend measured her tights and stockings thickness?

[Astro_Bot]

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Originally Posted by tigerdes

I thought "denier" was how your wife/girlfriend measured her tights and stockings thickness?

A quick check of a dictionary would have helped you there.

Originally Posted by Kunama

The classic dictionaries don't list 'denier' as one who denies. This usage came much later, probably an americanism.

Actually ....

The Macquarie Australian Dictionary lists as its first meaning:

denier(1)  noun  one who denies [ME; from DENY + -ER(1)]

The source is apparently Middle English. The thickness of stockings relationship is the second listed meaning.

The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary lists as its first meaning:

Denier(1). ME. [f. as prec* + -ER(1).] One who denies.

* The preceding entry is Denial.

Again, the source is identified as Middle English.

The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary lists as its second meaning:

Denier(2). 1532. [subst. use of Fr. denier inf., to DENY; see -ER(4).] Law. The act of denying or refusing- 1642.

The SOED goes on with several alternative meanings, and lists the "unit of weight ... by which silk yarn is measured and its fineness estimated" as established in 1832, so that post-dates the plainer meaning of being someone who denies something.

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[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by tlgerdes

I thought "denier" was how your wife/girlfriend measured her tights and stockings thickness?

No, that's "dethyer"

[tlgerdes (Trevor)]

I actually did check the dictionary before I posted

Seems as though the only dictionary to list your version first is the Macquarie Australian dictionary.

Oxford dictionary, Google and Wikipedia all list first a measurement of cloth, second an old French currency, third a noun derivative of denial.

[tlgerdes (Trevor)]

Originally Posted by el_draco

No, that's "dethyer"

Your climbing a dangerous ladder with that one.

[Astro_Bot]

Originally Posted by tlgerdes

I actually did check the dictionary before I posted

Seems as though the only dictionary to list your version first is the Macquarie Australian dictionary.

Oxford dictionary, Google and Wikipedia all list first a measurement of cloth, second an old French currency, third a noun derivative of denial.

No, the Oxford (Shorter Oxford English Dictionary) lists it first and second.

[tlgerdes (Trevor)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

I do find the use of the expression...climate change denier..extremely offensive
Denier should be exclusive to the reference to those disgusting people who argue that the holocost never happened
Shame upon whoever introduced the word denier to demonise their opponent.t in the climate change debate.

This word should be reserved exclusively for those who contemptuously reject such a horrific persecution and mass extinction

To use the term climate change denier however makes one lower than I can and lessens it to a common word which can be uses to demonise an opponentpOlo

Yes, also please distinguish between AGW Deniers and Climate Change Deniers.

[tlgerdes (Trevor)]

Originally Posted by Astro_Bot

No, the Oxford (Shorter Oxford English Dictionary) lists it first and second.

You must use a different Internet to me.

[tlgerdes (Trevor)]

Originally Posted by Astro_Bot

No, the Oxford (Shorter Oxford English Dictionary) lists it first and second.

Also, why would it list the same meaning twice?

Sounds like a dictionary has something against deniers to keep harping on about them

[Astro_Bot]

Originally Posted by Kunama

but the Middle English source is for Denier (the coin), from the word denarius relating to 'ten asses' ......

anyway, you guys are drifting off topic, lets get back to warming the Earth.

(If we were serious about doing everything to combat CC then we wouldn't be on the compooter using up electricity so much.)

The third listed (although obsolete) meaning in SOED is also a Middle English source, and originally from Old French denier, being the coin as you mentioned.

Here's where an international keyboard woud be handy, because:

dénier - from Middle English/from French someone who denies, etc. (Note the acute)

denier - from Middle English/from Old French coin, etc. (Note the absence of the acute)

You know, I actually thought I should have paused and found a way to put that acute over the first e of denier, but I figured no-one could possibly have a problem with that ....