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Old 07-02-2007, 01:32 PM
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It's over and done with now. Glad your staying with us Alex.
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Old 07-02-2007, 01:37 PM
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Welcome back, Alex

Glad you've had a re-think and decided to stay.

This human zoo needs all of its creatures, as many and varied as they are
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:12 PM
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Everyone has good and bad days but the secret is to look to the positive ..what does it matter if the moderation is not ridgid ... may look like double standards but lets see it as flexible in the best possible way . If we see only good our expectation will deliver good if we see only bad thats what will be in front of us.
I would rather moderation be critised that it misses a lot rather than it scrapes too much. Lets be a team and all work to achieve the goal of Iceinspace being the best astronomy forum in the world . There are not many people here really so its important we all pull together.
I have a new dummy so I am happy .
We have seen how some threads can go down hill but lets look at all the threads that take us to places we have never been.
I think already that folk understand their are many views on many things I recon it is great that here we all get on so well .
My only problem is I cant think of anything to talk about today and I am actually working on something that well I hate to admit to it but sortta work .
Lets be happy I am its easy really. AND if there are any political issues I will contact those responsible direct and tell them what should be done ..
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:25 PM
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Gee Alex that post has summed up everything in question and made so much sense, and again proves without the input of others, the value you are as a member.

It has made me think of the previous posts i typed
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:25 PM
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Welcome back alex !
Good to see ya mate ................... now lets discuss the war in Iraq and its consequences .

Lol nah just jokin
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:36 PM
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Hi Alex,
Glad you're still with us...
Your last post has some very powerful messages for all of us...but hey!..we can all feel strongly about a particular subject at some time or another!
But that's what makes us all diffrent...and you can see that not everyone felt offended.
Cheers!
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Old 07-02-2007, 02:51 PM
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Hi Alex, good to see you have returned.
Healthy debate in all areas is good for the mind and opinions are what make us induvidual and unique.
I think that we all should remember that it is the love of amateur astronomy and all things pertaining to it that brings us here and ultimately keeps us here.

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Old 07-02-2007, 03:44 PM
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At school, I had many fights as a kid. I cannot remember any of them. Why? Well, soon after each fight, we shook hands and made up. The scrapes and bloody noses are long forgotten. However, what I do seem to remember, are the keyboard fights, those battles fought via the written word; on forums, in e-mail, or on paper. It seems so much more difficult to shake hands and make up after word fights. Truly the pen is mightier than the sword. The wounds run deeper, take longer to heal and burden us in our future exchanges.

Someone “owns” this forum and has invested a lot of time, energy, money, blood, sweat and tears in this on-line community. A bunch of people also help moderate this forum and as far as I know, do it in their own time, are unpaid and to be honest, do a marvellous job, given the diversity of its members and the colossal variety of subject matter discussed. I suspect this is hard work and I wouldn’t be too surprised if some of these folks might even lose some sleep when confronted with an issue that requires them to intrude into a post. For their efforts in operating and steering this IIS ark – I thank them.

Very rarely are these folks the recipients of even a little praise – bless their hearts; more often, they appear to be blamed when something doesn’t go our way.

The main topic here is astronomy; not religion, sex, drugs, politics or rock and roll. If I want politics or religion I’ll go and join a forum that specialises in the stuff. If I want astronomy, I’ll dwell here a while longer.

I’m a bit thick at times so in my thickness, all alone with my keyboard, I’ll write, and post something that to me, smells as sweet as roses and wouldn’t hurt a fly. I’ll try to craft my words so they just cannot be misunderstood, and then I’ll hit the “Post” button.

Lo and behold, when those words are received, by 100’s of different eyes and ears, in unbounded states of receptivity, they will be filtered and interpreted in ways I could never have imagined. Those words, once released, will also reveal much about me; how I think and feel; my prejudices, both conscious and unconscious. Well, if I’m that fallible, and took so much care and time word smithing my post, how can I expect a 3rd party who doesn’t know me from a bar of soap to wholly understand what I intended, when they just take a moderators helicopter fly-over my words?

I have learned to live with being wrong or being misunderstood and my older, wiser self endeavours to look into my own heart when I am involved in a conflict. What part did I play? In the end, if I find that I was not lacking, I can still find comfort in that knowledge and don’t really need the world to validate me. Yes, maybe it would be nice, but is it really necessary? Is my ego really that important?

So, I’ll dust myself off, shake hands and move on, till the next time when surprise, surprise, it gets easier to cope because I’m thinking more clearly and not carrying the baggage and wounds of battles past. Well, mostly anyway. I still stuff up, badly at times, so thanks for accommodating one tiny ego and accepting me, warts and all, in this wonderful community.

Well, I got this far so whilst I’m here, I would like to say this place rocks. We have so much more in common than where we differ; Mike and the mods make it a nice place to hang out and above all, so does everyone else in whatever way they contribute.

By the way, isn’t it weird that all these skirmishes involve only us blokes? Is it genetic?

Cheers

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Old 07-02-2007, 04:12 PM
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The main topic here is astronomy; not religion, sex, drugs, politics or rock and roll. If I want politics or religion I’ll go and join a forum that specialises in the stuff. If I want astronomy, I’ll dwell here a while longer.

Cheers

Dennis
You could just dont bother reading if that's how you feel Dennis, I mean
the forum is called....

"General Chat General topics not covered by the other IceInSpace astronomy forums."

So I dont think you are fully right there, perhaps the general chat forum should be
remove or relabeled. Personally I find it a great place to talk about different things
that my fellow astronomers like to talk about.

regards,CS
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Old 07-02-2007, 04:21 PM
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Thanks Rob - that's just what I do, I skim and skip those posts.

Cheers

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Old 07-02-2007, 04:36 PM
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perhaps the general chat forum should be
remove or relabeled.
I agree with you there Rob, general chat of various types do not seem welcome in the General Chat forum. Did I read it right, that Mike had received complaints about sport being discussed in GC? How odd..
If thats the case, and political debate is also not welcome it might be best if it was removed or modified
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Old 07-02-2007, 04:39 PM
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Let's not go overboard.

1 person complained about sport, once. It was an off-the-hand comment that a few people took issue with. It was over and done with.

General chat is for general chat, about astronomy and non-astronomy related topics except what is clearly labelled in the TOS.

It's not that hard to understand or follow, so no need to remove or change general chat. The general chat area is great for people to get to know each other.
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Old 07-02-2007, 05:09 PM
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the problem, as anyone in marketing will tell you Mike is that people dont read

signs, memos and especially COUs and other such agreements. who here actually read the blurb they were given when say signing up to hotmail? i doubt anyone did. click on "i agree" and get on with it... i think we have all become lazy .

maybe if poeple were tested on the given COU of any situation before they were alowed to enter

what can you do huh?

big thumbs up to all mods. they do the job that none of us want to do.
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Old 07-02-2007, 05:30 PM
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Let's not go overboard.

1 person complained about sport, once. It was an off-the-hand comment that a few people took issue with. It was over and done with.
Fair enough, I obviously missed that thread, I was just a bit shocked when I read about it earlier in this thread.
Might go read this TOS thing
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Old 07-02-2007, 06:49 PM
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Good on you Alex!

Thank you Mike!

Thank you ball boys...

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Old 07-02-2007, 07:49 PM
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Welcome back

Really pleased to see you come back Alex.
I also add my thanks to the moderators - despite the odd hiccough which will happen with a large group of intelligent people given a forum like this, this place is still great. I love coming here at the end of the day and reading about interesting things!
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Old 07-02-2007, 08:09 PM
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Nice to hear Alex.

Nobody likes it when someone leaves.

I'm glad we have sorted all this out.
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Old 07-02-2007, 08:28 PM
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If someone expresses a view that people find offensive (ie conflicts with their comfort zone) they can
1 Close their minds to an alternative view.
2. Refute it with appropriate arguments.
3. Be convinced and adopt the new view.

Unfortunately, most people choose 1.
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Old 07-02-2007, 08:47 PM
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A view, hmm. Where feasible and meaningful, I might choose to embrace it as one more view, one of many, and maybe honour it as such? When I stand on a mountain top, with an all round 360° view, depending on my vantage point, I can view trees and paddocks, roads and rivers, hills and valleys, towns and open spaces etc, all different, but valid views from a particular position I might take at the time.

Alter my position – change the view. It doesn’t necessarily mean that the other views are no longer true or valid.

Cheers

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Old 07-02-2007, 08:51 PM
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Really pleased to see you come back Alex.
I also add my thanks to the moderators - despite the odd hiccough which will happen with a large group of intelligent people given a forum like this, this place is still great. I love coming here at the end of the day and reading about interesting things!
Ohhh noooo!!!! Please don't call me intelligent (Just joking.) In my eyes everyone is intelligent in their own way.
And welcome back Alex. Hope to see more challenging posts from you. back.
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