A Trump win, good for Astro gear ?

[Nath2099]

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. My apologies if I've offended anyone, just calling it as I see it.

[xelasnave]

Settle down folks.
And give thanks to the wonderful mods on this most excellent site for letting this thread continue.

Discussion is healthy. We are all seeking a rationalisation of what we all are somehow worried about.
Spitting the dummy is unproductive so let's all be nice and if you want to comment perhaps be respectful firstly to the office of president and respectful to views that may differ from your own.
We are witnessing history and democracy no need to panic.
Alex

[atalas]

Originally Posted by Nath2099

Well that's true, Clinton is a war monger. As someone on a blog I was reading earlier said, "America had a choice between corrupt or crazy, they chose crazy. Possibly in the hopes that things might change".

Yes,and lets hope they change for the better.....one thing I'm sure is that If the "Crazy man"didn't get in there would be no hope for change.

[xelasnave]

I like his space policy.
I truely believe we have enough research on climate to tell us all we need to know. One research paper or one hundred won't change the fact it is happening and that nothing will stop human consumption...
Its about slicing the pie give a big slice to new space research.
Alex

[clive milne]

Originally Posted by atalas

Yes,and lets hope they change for the better.....one thing I'm sure is that If the "Crazy man"didn't get in there would be no hope for change.

Oh, I don't know about that... If Clinton had got in, we would have seen a direct military confrontation with Russia which would have turned nuclear, sooner rather than later.

It will be an interesting test of Trump to see if he continues America's policy of covertly arming Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, Islamic State, etc... (and the neo-Nazi's in Ukraine)

[xelasnave]

Glen I bet if the vote was compulsory Trump would have probably won by a land slide.
The result suggests that most are in happy with the the system.
But I wonder why they don't have a compulsory vote...probably would infringe their rights somehow...go figure
Alex

[clive milne]

And for what it's worth, I am not a fan of Donald Trump.
imho) He is the second most dangerous individual to have run for the job (arguably) in the history of the US. The most dangerous being Shillary.

Here are a selection of his intentions.
Let business operate as regulation-free as possible, facilitating greater corporate predation.
Direct the Treasury security to declare China a currency manipulator – on the one hand wanting better relations with Russia, he says; on the other, contesting China’s economic policy unfairly.
Allow unrestricted fossil fuel production, instead of prioritizing development and use of alternative green energy sources.
Authorize construction of the environmentally destructive Keystone Pipeline and similar projects.
Cancel US participation in UN climate change programs.
Replace Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia with someone matching his right-wing extremism.
Cancel federal funding for Sanctuary Cities.
Mass deport millions of undocumented (largely Latino) immigrants.
Cancel visas to foreign countries unwilling to take them back.
Suspend immigration from so-called “terror-prone regions,” largely the Middle East, ignoring America’s responsibility for creating ISIS and likeminded groups.
Simplify the tax code from seven to three brackets.
Cut taxes, largely benefitting high-income Americans.
Cut the corporate tax rate (few firms pay) from 35 – 15%.
Replace Obamacare with health savings accounts – swapping one failed system for a worse one.
Cut approval red tape to let inadequately tested drugs be offered for sale.
Build a wall along America’s border with Mexico, its government funding the cost.
Increase America’s gulag prison system population by imposing mandatory minimum sentences for undocumented immigrants reentering the country after being deported.
Get tougher on crime and so-called illicit drugs than already.
Increase funding and other resources for already militarized state and local police.

Additional policies he’ll pursue include greater support for Israel than already, including recognizing Jerusalem as its capital, breaching international law.

He wants the Iran nuclear deal abolished. He’ll likely ignore it rather than rescind an international agreement involving seven countries, including the five permanent Security Council members.

He wants a more robust, expanded US military instead of major cutbacks needed along with ending all imperial wars.

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Settle down folks.
And give thanks to the wonderful mods on this most excellent site for letting this thread continue.

Discussion is healthy. We are all seeking a rationalisation of what we all are somehow worried about.
Spitting the dummy is unproductive so let's all be nice and if you want to comment perhaps be respectful firstly to the office of president and respectful to views that may differ from your own.
We are witnessing history and democracy no need to panic.
Alex

Well ...... we are certainly witnessing history. There is a new lizard at the top!

I can understand how the promise of making America great again is appealing but what does it mean? If it means improving the living standards of average (and below average) citizens then that is good. If it means subjugating the rest of the world to America's interests then it is reprehensible. If it means Astrophysics gear in every observatory - bring it on .

[clive milne]

It's cold comfort, but there is a degree of perverse satisfaction in seeing the Democrats become undone after the blatant, egregious rigging of the primaries at Bernie Sander's expense.

[clive milne]

Originally Posted by AstralTraveller

Well ...... we are certainly witnessing history. There is a new lizard at the top!

What... has a Rothschild/Rockefeller died?

[clive milne]

The one (potential) silver lining in all this is that the Clinton crime syndicate might possibly be subject to due process of law. (not holding my breath) The fact that the media hasn't touched on their criminal history shows how utterly corrupt the whole top echelon of the establishment really is. Between herself and bad Billy, there have been as many 'associates' found murdered or deceased under suspicious circumstances as there were witnesses snuffed in connection to the Warren commission... and that's an impressively high water mark of sorts!

[julianh72 (Julian)]

Originally Posted by glend

Apparently there were 231 million eligible voters but only 128.8 million bothered to vote. Out of the 128.8 million Trump won just over half, around 65-70 million or only 28-30% of eligible voters.

This is to me one of the greatest indictments of the American political system - that people just can't be bothered to get out and vote, even when the prospect of one of the candidates becoming President is so appalling. (Or maybe because BOTH of the mainstream candidates were appalling? )

I can't help thinking the rest of the World took a greater interest in who won the 2016 US Presidential race than the American electorate!

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Originally Posted by clive milne

What... has a Rothschild/Rockefeller died?

I take your point but the original text did refer to elected 'leaders'.

[atalas]

Originally Posted by clive milne

And for what it's worth, I am not a fan of Donald Trump.
imho) He is the second most dangerous individual to have run for the job (arguably) in the history of the US. The most dangerous being Shillary.

Here are a selection of his intentions.
Let business operate as regulation-free as possible, facilitating greater corporate predation.
Direct the Treasury security to declare China a currency manipulator – on the one hand wanting better relations with Russia, he says; on the other, contesting China’s economic policy unfairly.
Allow unrestricted fossil fuel production, instead of prioritizing development and use of alternative green energy sources.
Authorize construction of the environmentally destructive Keystone Pipeline and similar projects.
Cancel US participation in UN climate change programs.
Replace Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia with someone matching his right-wing extremism.
Cancel federal funding for Sanctuary Cities.
Mass deport millions of undocumented (largely Latino) immigrants.
Cancel visas to foreign countries unwilling to take them back.
Suspend immigration from so-called “terror-prone regions,” largely the Middle East, ignoring America’s responsibility for creating ISIS and likeminded groups.
Simplify the tax code from seven to three brackets.
Cut taxes, largely benefitting high-income Americans.
Cut the corporate tax rate (few firms pay) from 35 – 15%.
Replace Obamacare with health savings accounts – swapping one failed system for a worse one.
Cut approval red tape to let inadequately tested drugs be offered for sale.
Build a wall along America’s border with Mexico, its government funding the cost.
Increase America’s gulag prison system population by imposing mandatory minimum sentences for undocumented immigrants reentering the country after being deported.
Get tougher on crime and so-called illicit drugs than already.
Increase funding and other resources for already militarized state and local police.

Additional policies he’ll pursue include greater support for Israel than already, including recognizing Jerusalem as its capital, breaching international law.

He wants the Iran nuclear deal abolished. He’ll likely ignore it rather than rescind an international agreement involving seven countries, including the five permanent Security Council members.

He wants a more robust, expanded US military instead of major cutbacks needed along with ending all imperial wars.

One thing at a time Clive.....avert WWIII....then busyness as usaul.

[xelasnave]

I just hope each week ,on TV, he calls in the team and fires someone.
Alex

[DarkKnight (Kev)]

Relax, he's only able to do what the US equivalent of the Public Service lets him do.

And be thankful that we don't have US style elections here or we may have PM Pauline.

[pmrid (Peter)]

Originally Posted by glend

The ABC (Aus) had a story this morning analysing the voter turn out. Apparently there were 231 million eligible voters but only 128.8 million bothered to vote. Out of the 128.8 million Trump won just over half, around 65-70 million or only 28-30% of eligible voters. This is hardly a mandate for reform, but it is a sad indication that many voters could not be bothered voting, either because they disliked both candiates or general apathy.
This is a great example of why voting should be compulsory there, as it is here. At least it would force people to make a choice. As it is at present, the winner just has to be better at mobilising the support base regardless of the platform.

Running an election on a Tuesday doesn't make it very easy for people to vote. If you have to commute to work, get kids to school ettc etc, voting on. Tuesday would have a low priority for many people.
Peter

[Nath2099]

So we delete posts around here with no explanation. Nice.

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Originally Posted by pmrid

Running an election on a Tuesday doesn't make it very easy for people to vote. If you have to commute to work, get kids to school ettc etc, voting on. Tuesday would have a low priority for many people.
Peter

Yes, it seems odd and it's a historical anachronism. The ABC explained it here. BTW I asked some American students and they don't know why either.

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by Nath2099

So we delete posts around here with no explanation. Nice.

Don't let it upset you the mods treat us as being intelligent enough to work out our mistakes.

Just relax enjoy the show.

Alex