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Old 15-05-2006, 09:19 AM
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Dennis do you normally leave your auto white balance checked?

Man those are beautiful raw images Dennis, especially the second screen dump using the gradient setting. I'd be happy to get that out as a final result.

How do you guys do your collimation, Dennis and Rob? And how often do you adjust it? The reason I ask is that I discovered last night that collimation is a big part of the problems I've been having. (I'll start a thread later on it with examples). It's not easy doing an accurate star test or even a defocus collimation in the conditions that have been around lately.
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Other experts I was going to ask you and Robert to run a class or two out at Qld Astro this year Dennis
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Old 15-05-2006, 09:31 AM
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Dennis do you normally leave your auto white balance checked?
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How do you guys do your collimation, Dennis and Rob? And how often do you adjust it? The reason I ask is that I discovered last night that collimation is a big part of the problems I've been having. (I'll start a thread later on it with examples). It's not easy doing an accurate star test or even a defocus collimation in the conditions that have been around lately.
Hi Paul

Yes - I usually leave auto white balance on. Again, don't know why, it must have been the default?

I fitted a set of Scopestuff's equivalent of Bob's Knobs. Have a look at post:

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...b%27s+knobs%22

About every 4 to 6 weeks, I then eyeball a star, above 50 deg, mag 3 or 4, at approx x250 mag to check inside and outside of focus. I try to find a star near Jupiter if I am imaging Jupiter.

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Old 15-05-2006, 09:36 AM
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Hey Robert

Here is an opportunity to fleece Paul and get a new accessory. Let's collaborate and say we'll give a talk on how we process our images, but at a cost of $500, plus travel, accommodation and living expenses. Make sure that he doesn't know we are price fixing behind his back, and that we are not experts!

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It's not easy doing an accurate star test or even a defocus collimation in the conditions that have been around lately.
Oh man.... do i hear you, Paul!!!

Just wanted to say how much I appreciate those screen captures Dennis, and others.

Being a visual creature, anything like that rings a real bell with me.

Screen captures are the cock-a-doodle!!!
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Paul, Dennis leaving white balance at auto isn't a problem for him because his tracking is dead accurate.

It's only going to be a problem for him left at auto, if he gets some thin or thick clouds that might change the levels coming in.

Interesting, the number of frames that gradient and compress produce as a 95% output. Would be interesting to look at the frame numbers, to see if they correspond. Especially after doing an "optimise", and then say, choose the top 100 frames to stack. Are they the same frames in both methods?
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Here is an opportunity to fleece Paul and get a new accessory. Let's collaborate and say we'll give a talk on how we process our images, but at a cost of $500, plus travel, accommodation and living expenses. Make sure that he doesn't know we are price fixing behind his back, and that we are not experts!

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Gradient vs Compress Stacklist - comparison

Here is the comparison list. Screen capture from Registax Stacklist panel, then OCR via OmniPage then copy/paste Table into MS Word...they made me work for it..

Gradient Compress
367 389
400 109
389 457
399 398
398 388
368 430
388 505
361 367
381 657
360 387
430 178
386 331
359 370
401 371
396 400
371 399
177 384
366 110
299 604
375 413
397 793
364 386
176 361
379 299
378 731
385 811
456 491
395 216
382 375
330 401
336 251
402 456
362 98
363 44
300 111
387 732

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And sorted Lo to Hi for both columns

Gradient Compress
176 44
177 98
299 109
300 110
330 111
336 178
359 216
360 251
361 299
362 331
363 361
364 367
366 370
367 371
368 375
371 384
375 386
378 387
379 388
381 389
382 398
385 399
386 400
387 401
388 413
389 430
395 456
396 457
397 491
398 505
399 604
400 657
401 731
402 732
430 793
456 811

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What no graphs to go with them


Your a champion Dennis. I might copy them an put them into a chart myself, but at first glance there doesn't appear to be any sort of correlation
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Thanks Dennis.

There is very few common frames between those 2 lists, which is a bit of a worry. So one really could produce a better result than the other.
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And the winner is.....

Here is a side-by-side comparison between Compress and Gradient with the settings as indicated on the montage.

Not much difference as far as I can see?

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PS – I’m glad I kept the original avi’s as zipped up backups, without them this experiment would have not been possible.
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whoa... turn you back on a thread for a day and it runs rampant

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Hey Robert

Here is an opportunity to fleece Paul and get a new accessory. Let's collaborate and say we'll give a talk on how we process our images, but at a cost of $500, plus travel, accommodation and living expenses. Make sure that he doesn't know we are price fixing behind his back, and that we are not experts!

Cheers

Dennis
what was Registax again?

BTS I didn't even know there was a quality estimator choice (and I'm spilling the beans here on non-expert status Dennis?). I use Gradient.

On collimation Paul, I try and tweak mine before every session using a 1-3 mag star near to what I'm going to image (but higher to zenith to improve seeing). I start with 18mm and the 2.5 powermate and usually end up on 10mm plus 2.5 powermate if the seeing is average or better.

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