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Old 27-11-2012, 02:10 PM
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You are quite right, Bert.
Since mankinds beginnings, man has used the concept of gods to explain what he didn't understand.
Probably the pharoah Akenaten was closest to getting it right-he scrapped all the previous egyptian gods and made the Aten (sun) the only god-at least no life could exist without the sun!
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Old 27-11-2012, 02:21 PM
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+1 for Laurie's post Cant wait to find out what NASA has in store for us!
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Old 27-11-2012, 03:00 PM
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Well that Sydney Morning Herald article puts a downer on the find, still would be good to know what they think they have seen.

As far as Reading "Richard Dawkins The Greatest Show on Earth" I have read it I even brought a hard copy of it which is rare for me as I mainly read ebooks on the old KOBO plus itsone of many audio books I listen to when I go to sleep I also like his new one The Magic of Reality: How We Know What's Really True

As I have stated before I do read books science and so called pseudo-science books, books like Darwins black box, Signature in the cell and so on also I like reading books about the conflict between the competing theory's the one I'm reading now is Where the Conflict really lies by Alvin Plantinga the book before that was Zac Baggins (from ghost adventurers) called Dark World. the book before that was my favite book of the year Iron Man by Tony Iommi Black Sabbath guitarist. I have a vast collection of books mainly on science, music, and many on so called pseudo-science.

A lot of the pro evolutionary people always tell me to read some pro evolutionary science books by pro evolutionary authors. But have you read any books against the current view? have you read the books and watched the videos (the good ones that tell the problems with the current view (and no not the ones promoting the theist view Bert talks about to push there view as true.) the one using the scientific method. Some food for thought:

Why is SETI (and they hate this comparison but I cant see no difference) looking for intelligent signs in a stream of data that may have being created called science, but a different group that is looking for a similar stream of data, that life may point to somehow being guided to intelligence is not science? if people dont look we will never find out oneway or the other isn't this true science

What if they don't find evidence of life on Mars, I mean hard evidence that life was/is on Mars want would that mean? is it like the book Rare Earth that life in the universe (the way Darwinian evolution tells us) is very rare and the life like we have on Earth is a one of event? meaning we are truly alone in the universe? As I have stated over and over I don't have a problem with evolution as in Evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. I have I have stated, I and many others scientists also have a problem the mechanism of what drives it. I like this quote from a web page I found on the subject,

"At that moment, when the DNA/RNA system became understood, the debate between Evolutionists and Creationists should have come to a screeching halt"....... I.L. Cohen, Researcher and Mathematician; Member NY Academy of Sciences; Officer of the Archaeological Inst. of America; "Darwin Was Wrong - A Study in Probabilities"; New Research Publications, 1984, p. 4


I would like to thank all here for taking the time to discuss this subject with me I know the mods will be keeping a close eye on this thread because it contains some taboo subjects but for a true discussion on the subject on life or more importantly Astrobiology life in the universe these must be answered and more importantly questioned, well for me anyway thanks again and Bert I would love to have a beer with you I could talk to you all day about this.
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Old 27-11-2012, 03:42 PM
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joe smith just study all the evidence. Not simplistic books.


I will take the time to explain to you what my thinking is. I do not care much for absolutes.

You strike me as someone who does not change his mind easily. I honestly do not care.

You are blind to obvious evidence.

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Exclamation The results have arrived

Scientifically interesting, no doubt, but hardly earth-shaking: NASA Mars Rover Fully Analyzes First Soil Samples
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Scientifically interesting, no doubt, but hardly earth-shaking: NASA Mars Rover Fully Analyzes First Soil Samples
I hardly bother any more when sensationalist headlines exclaim explosive news like this. It's just annoying, "Cry wolf."

Mars is quite likely sterile, which IMHO would be good for us because there would be no quarantine issues to worry about. Until there is conclusive evidence of life there, I'll just enjoy the beauties of the universe through the telescope!
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I hardly bother any more when sensationalist headlines exclaim explosive news like this. It's just annoying, "Cry wolf."
It makes you wonder doesn't it...the quote from NASA was something like 'this is one for the history books"....hardly.
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