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Old 26-08-2012, 01:33 PM
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Saxon F1149EQ Newtonian Reflector Telescope

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My sister and I are extreme novices, her birthday is coming up and I recently came across the Saxon F1149EQ on sale for $199 (from $495).

http://www.ozscopes.com.au/newtonian...e-f1149eq.html

I know that the aperture is one of the most important things to look at, but I'm not sure what is actually good

Could someone let me know whether this telescope is worth going ahead and purchasing for her or whether it would be more frustrating than the $295 discount is worth

Many thanks!
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Old 26-08-2012, 01:56 PM
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Oh, you will grow out of that scope in about a week. Honestly, all it is really good for is looking at the Moon and some of the much brighter clusters. And an EQ mount, pardon the expression, sucks big time when it comes to tracking down objects. You have to zig zag to everything. EQ mounts also have to be aligned to the South Celestial pole first before using.
Almost everyone here on the forum will recommend a Dobsonian mounted reflector as a first scope. They are intuitive to use, you just plonk it on the ground and away you go. To easy.
I know that "shiny and new" has it's appeal, but for value, and aperture, please consider in investing in a good quality used scope.
Depending on where you live, there is a suitable one available now. If you don't mind spending $100 more.
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...ad.php?t=94746
If you are super keen on buying new, check out what the other dealers have on offer.
http://www.bintel.com.au/Telescopes/...3/catmenu.aspx
http://andrewscom.com.au/site-section-10.htm
http://www.myastroshop.com.au/products/dob.asp
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Old 26-08-2012, 01:57 PM
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Hi Sara and welcome . On the scope ,,,well a little bit of education wont go amiss , I think , so here goes ,
The mount and tripod ( the bits the tube sit on ) are more important than the telescope as a whole , and the mount that this scope sits on is called an eq1 mount.
It is way to small for a tube of this size , lenght and weight and the wobbles will drive any aspirations you and your sister have away very fast sorry to say , eg.here so if the telescope is viewing , say the moom at 50x and small vibrations , wobbles that happen when you focus or even touch the scope are also magnified 50x and it gets way worse as magnification increases , sorry to say but the telescope is woefully under mounted .
The optics in these scopes ore usually good to very good , so in my opionion get a 150mm Dobsonion mounted scope from here at $419 or the 5 inch heritage at $399, both will be a joy to use , not an exersise in frustration that the 114mm will turn out to be , sorry to be blunt but I have seen so many aspiring astromoners put off for life because of the poor mechanics on this type of scope ( we call them Departement store scopes ) , shame really as , as I said optically they are good .
Google ," Bintel " and "Andrews Communations " and look at their prices of 150mm Dobsonion mounted telescopes as well .
I am sure every member here will tell you the same thing .
One more thing equatorial mounted scopes ( like the 114mm's mount ) are a steep learning curve and can add to more frustrations if you are not taught how they are to be set up for work .
A Dob is easy , just plonk it down , put in an eyepiece and away you go .
Sorry , I dont want to put you off , save your money and for a little more you will get a scope thats easy to use and will last years ,, before 'Apateure fever' sets in ( thats another story ) Good luck and please keep us informed . .
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Old 26-08-2012, 01:58 PM
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you beat me to the draw here Nettie , I said almost exactly the same things . Good advise .
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Oh, you will grow out of that scope in about a week. Honestly, all it is really good for is looking at the Moon and some of the much brighter clusters. And an EQ mount, pardon the expression, sucks big time when it comes to tracking down objects. You have to zig zag to everything. EQ mounts also have to be aligned to the South Celestial pole first before using.
Almost everyone here on the forum will recommend a Dobsonian mounted reflector as a first scope. They are intuitive to use, you just plonk it on the ground and away you go. To easy.
I know that "shiny and new" has it's appeal, but for value, and aperture, please consider in investing in a good quality used scope.
Depending on where you live, there is a suitable one available now. If you don't mind spending $100 more.
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...ad.php?t=94746
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Old 26-08-2012, 02:08 PM
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you beat me to the draw here Nettie , I said almost exactly the same things . Good advise .
Brian
Ha ha, almost word for word.
My first scope was a department store 60mm refractor. I was very lucky it didn't put me off the hobby for life. It was the classic Wobbletronic. LOL
When I finally got the money together to buy my 10" Dob, I was blown out of the water by the views.
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Old 26-08-2012, 02:17 PM
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Wobbletronic , hard case that as I dubbed my first 60mm department store scope my " wobblymatic " .
Sorry to hijack your thread there Sara , but this and I recon there will be lots more good advise comming.....and dont be shy to ask as many questions as you want , just keep em comming . .
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Ha ha, almost word for word.
My first scope was a department store 60mm refractor. I was very lucky it didn't put me off the hobby for life. It was the classic Wobbletronic. LOL
When I finally got the money together to buy my 10" Dob, I was blown out of the water by the views.
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Old 26-08-2012, 04:50 PM
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Wow, thanks a lot for your thoughts, seems to be unanimous!

Maybe I just need to get some patience for us instead

I am not opposed to second hand, but we are in Adelaide so I haven't seen anything come up around us - which is a shame because that link looks perfect!

Would something like these six inches be worth looking at...

http://www.ozscopes.com.au/skywatche...telescope.html

http://www.ozscopes.com.au/dobsonian...xon-6inch.html

It seems that there is only around $100 difference between a six inch and an eight inch what would the difference be between them?

... or would we be better off with some star charts and saving our money for a 10/12 inch

Thanks so much for your help!
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Old 26-08-2012, 05:35 PM
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There is nothing wrong with getting some star charts and learning the night sky, will be invaluable when you get your scope.
With a 6" versus an 8", the larger scope will definitely show you more. One question is where do you live If you have dark skies the difference will be less than if you cope with light pollution.
An 8" dob is virtually the standard beginners scope these days, will get you all the Messiers, decent planetary views, hundreds of NGC objects easily seen.

Malcolm

PS I had a wobbletronic Saxon EQ scope (the next size up from the one you asked about) and I fully endorse JJ's and Brians comments!
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Old 26-08-2012, 06:52 PM
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Bintel have their 6'' dobs for much less.
http://www.bintel.com.au/Telescopes/...oductview.aspx
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Old 27-08-2012, 07:14 PM
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Yes Sara , as Malcome says where do you live ? do you have room for a large ( 10 - 12 inch ) scope , these are getting big and heavy and are dangerous , for you and the scope if you have to carry them down stairs and the likes , as said a good 6-8 inch Dob is a great place to start , the 200mm ( 8 inch ) for sale here at IIS is a good buy , even if it has to be couriered to you .
I had a little giggle to read you two are already contemplating a 10-12 inch scope ,,, oops " apateaure fever " is knocking . Watch out its an expensive bug to catch .
I have just set up my most used scope just now for a quick ( 2 hour ) look at the moon and its a 60mm , 2.4 inches , so its a baby but woaw what a baby 60mm of "Flourite Takahashi " refractor $$$$ beautiful scope , but , hey its differant strokes Sara for differant folks , so yea a 150-200mm Dob is the beginners scope of choice .
Brian .
ps. when I first started out my Wobblymatic was all we could afford , but our local club had 150mm Dobs as loan'r scopes and that saved me from giving up years ago , lucky .
But hey , is there a club near you that you can join ? I hope so because that is the way to go , get out and try a few scopes before laying down your hard earned cash and every amateure astromomer I have ever met ( 1000's of them over the years ) wont hesitate to give you and your sister a look thru their scopes .Great people us star gazers .
Brian ,( again )

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Old 27-08-2012, 07:20 PM
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I forgot , look at Andrews Communations , they have a 200mm GSO Dob with 3 eyepieces a 9mm 15mm and 25mm for $399 , and they will haggle on shipping costs , just a thought Sara .
Brian.
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