SOPA what do you think ?

GrahamL · #1 17-01-2012, 07:12 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-1...rotest/3778452

TrevorW · #2 17-01-2012, 07:40 PM

I often download free to air TV shows so are they going to put a SOPA to that

As to movies I can hire them for $1 on certain days of the week so I don't know what they are concerned about

Any new releases that appear on the net if not DVDrip then they are crap to watch so I don't bother

So I don't know why they are now targetting the web

mill (Martin) · #3 17-01-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TrevorW

I often download free to air TV shows so are they going to put a SOPA to that

As to movies I can hire them for $1 on certain days of the week so I don't know what they are concerned about

Any new releases that appear on the net if not DVDrip then they are crap to watch so I don't bother

So I don't know why they are now targetting the web

It is all about the $$$$$$
I have been many times to the movies to see a movie that was supposedly very good and walked out thinking "what the #$#@ was that for crap".
And other times a movie gets a bad review and it is very good

TrevorW · #4 17-01-2012, 08:04 PM

I don't even bother going to the movies anymore, I have a 100" screen with projector and surround sound.

If I want a DVD I'll hire for a $1 on the specials night.

If it's worth adding to my collection I'll wait to the price drops to around the $10 mark before buying it.

I would think this is the same for a lot of other people as well.

Stardrifter_WA · #5 17-01-2012, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TrevorW

I don't even bother going to the movies anymore, I have a 100" screen with projector and surround sound.

If I want a DVD I'll hire for a $1 on the specials night.

If it's worth adding to my collection I'll wait to the price drops to around the $10 mark before buying it.

I would think this is the same for a lot of other people as well.

I am the same Trevor, although I only have a large TV and surround. A projector would be nice, but have other priorities. I also rent them on cheap night too and wait until prices come down before adding it to my collection, which is quite large, as it is. It really has to be good before I add it now.

Stardrifter_WA · #6 17-01-2012, 08:59 PM

As for SOPA. It's aims are good but in practice will be disastrous for censorship, in general, I feel. A lot of what is put on the Internet has come from somewhere else, therefore, is probably copyrighted anyway, in some form or other. It could result in whole sites going down, just for one item.

Chaos may reign! But then again, I don't really care, as I only use legitimate sites anyway.

DJVege · #7 18-01-2012, 11:19 AM

I hate the movies. Wait... let me explain. I hate all the teenage, kiddie, moron peeps that go to watch the M rated movies... talk on their phones, throw popcorn at their mates and act like idiots!

I like going to the movies if there are not so many people in the cinema (less chance of annoyances). The cost is a lil exy at $13-$15 for adults, but when it's not an every week thing, it's ok.

BUT, I very much prefer to watch 1080p, 5.1 Dolby or DTS on my Home theatre setup (55" screen).

You want to kerb online piracy?? Simple. Grab technology by the ****s; utilise the internet, and offer SD and HD movies at a LOW price.

You will never kill piracy. If you're at school, or at uni (as a child), your parents aren't always going to get you the movie you want... you won't have the money for the games and movies etc... you want to play & watch. So pirated downloads are very attractive.

Once you start making money, like your alcohol preference, you start buying things you couldn't.

eg. At school/uni... how many people were after the cheapest alcohol out there for parties? Now I'm working full time, I indulge in the more premium spirits because I can afford them.

Keep collectors editions of DVD/blurays more expensive. However, keep your average bluray disc under $20. Streaming services with quickflix are $14.99 per month, unlimited. Good price, IF you keep up with title demand! Not as good as some streaming services i the US, but much better than AUS used to have in the past.

My 2 cents.

Terry B · #8 18-01-2012, 12:21 PM

I don't watch movies on the puter at all so this wouldn't affect me really. I thought that one hassle was people OS trying to watch stuff that is freely available on the net but blocked when you are OS. I was in Canada recently and wanted to listen to the cricket on the ABC. This was blocked even though it will never be available to buy over there. This is stupid.
My wife tried to look at an ABC show that is freely available on line here but again was blocked in Canada.
This legislation will just make this worse. Stuff that can't be bought legally or watched so called illegally as well.

Poita (Peter) · #9 18-01-2012, 12:44 PM

This legislation is dangerous, it can cut off the supply of money to a website owner.

Say I posted an image here that was covered by copyright, under this legislation they could cut off all payments to Mike coming via the site, it is massively heavy handed and goes way beyond what is reasonable. It puts all the power with corporations, when did they become the good guys??

traveller (Bo) · #10 18-01-2012, 01:48 PM

Piracy will always have the upper hand, so SOPA will only catch the dumb crooks.
My brother is currently in China and their GFC (Great Firewall of China) is monitored by an army of censors. But as soon as one post is shut down or a link is removed, it moves somewhere else with a different name (Chinese is a heavily phonetic language, so changing the tone or a single letter can completely change the meaning).
Bottom line: make on-line content low cost and more affordable. The book industry is a case in point, people still buy books, but just not at bookstores, and Kobo or whatever is not everyone's cup of tea.
That and improve the general education standards and on-line literacy of users so people make informed choices and decisions, but that's a different topic.

Bo

DJVege · #11 18-01-2012, 05:07 PM

@traveller: Nicely put!

joe_smith · #12 18-01-2012, 08:35 PM

The dark hidden truth about SOPA is not about copy right issues, its about Internet Censorship Thats why Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Twitter are against it so strongly, they know the truth. Its to kill free thinking and free speech. Social media sites can change world opinion of current events. This is what they don't like and it scares them. This law if passed can block any website with a complaint of copyright infringement whether its a real breach or not. Any site the government dosent like will be blocked, just like China, Iran and Egypt, except the people of Egypt hit the streets, when they blocked Face Book. Also if you think this will only effect the USA check out this video and this video also with SOPA they passed this bill still think its about "copyright"

Kevnool (Kev) · #13 18-01-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nightstalker

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-1...rotest/3778452

Not much really.
One day someone will tell me to stop.

Cheers Kev.

TrevorW · #14 18-01-2012, 08:56 PM

Is there something deeper here, are the paranoid US Govt afraid of the web in more ways than one, remember the war on terrorism goes on !!

If they take it off the web it'll only go into the streets, cd and dvds copied and passed on

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #15 18-01-2012, 09:38 PM

Big Brother exercising his strength

joe_smith · #16 18-01-2012, 09:50 PM

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Is there something deeper here

I bet my money on it.

Stardrifter_WA · #17 18-01-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TrevorW

Is there something deeper here, are the paranoid US Govt afraid of the web in more ways than one, remember the war on terrorism goes on !!

If they take it off the web it'll only go into the streets, cd and dvds copied and passed on

Of course there is more to it!

Governments don't like "the people" they represent to have any control at all. They know what is best for us all.

So, nothing new here.

Politics, by its very nature, is a perverse corruption anyway. Having said that, now I will wait until the "men in black" crash through my door and cart me away.....never to see the light of day again!

mithrandir (Andrew) · #18 18-01-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by joe_smith

The dark hidden truth about SOPA is not about copy right issues, its about Internet Censorship ... Also if you think this will only effect the USA ...

It's purported to be about copyright. That it can be used for internet censorship is an added benefit as far as the legislators are concerned.

According to the latest SANS newsbites they have taken the DNS disabling part out of the two bills - SOPA and PITS - and SOPA is stalled in the House. That provision would have let the US bock any site anywhere that relied on a US hosted DNS. It could affect anyone who has a .com, .net or .org domain (as I do) no matter where they or their servers are located.

Taking it to its logical conclusion, if these laws came into effect they would have the potential to disable IceInSpace if someone screamed "copyright" because it is hosted on a US server.

jenchris (Jennifer) · #19 18-01-2012, 11:48 PM

It is of course more to do with censorship than anything - plus greed of course
I won't go to the movies, I wait til it is on Free to Air record it and take out the ads.
I reckon Tom Cruise or any of the others aren't worth 15 million dollars a film - it's disgusting

AndrewJ · #20 19-01-2012, 06:39 AM

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Governments don't like "the people" they represent to have any control at all

I prefer "information" vs "control", as its more about dissemination of knowledge when used in a censorship vs copyright mode.
Ie just look back in history at the effects of the printing press,
or when the bible was translated to english.
Govts simply dont want you to know what they are doing.

Andrew

ps I wonder how the US will go banning the chinese/russian sites that constantly rip off everything from movies to operating systems :-)