Women in front line combat roles in Australian Defence Force - Page 3

madtuna (Steve) · #41 23-06-2008, 10:37 PM

No offence taken at all Fred!
I was actually commenting on the reference to the Gladiator tv show ladies most likely being good in front line combat because they could probably beat a lot of blokes in an arm wrestle.

Someone down in this thread mentioned sending female Police officers to a brawl.
Ask any male Police officer what it's like to attend a full on pub brawl with a female partner.
Frankly if they answer honestly, most hate it.
Male instinct is to protect the female, his mind is half focused on her wellbeing and his time spent on keeping her safe, taking his full concentration and energy off the job at hand.

There are thousands of females out there who are fully capable of holding thier own in any fighting force, but there are also a myriad of roles where they could serve and contribute much more and play a just as important role than at the front line in the mud with the blokes

strongmanmike (Michael) · #42 23-06-2008, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bassnut

Steve, all the better that they are at home to look after the alpha-male wankers when they get home and remind them of their pointless exploits.

Was that alpha-male or H-alpha?

Are you refering to mega data, narrow field image processing exploits by any chance?

Sorry Fred, I just think that in a modern 21st century defence force with modern engagement practises and equipment/technology a woman who is capable of it should be able to, and not be "banned" on the basis of her gender alone, that's all. The gladiator reference was to the fact that there are clearly women of physical ability out there at least the equal of many soldiers currently serving in front line combat roles so with the correct training and if the desire is there then such a ban is unecessary.

I think you may be playing southern comfort stirups here..?

and you haven't got to me...you swine herd, pimple nosed, poppy cock, H-alpha male, wide field woose & gladiator hater, you.....

Mike

Miaplacidus (Brian) · #43 23-06-2008, 11:25 PM

A curious thread. Mike, you always seems to come up with thought provoking topics. Thanks.

Interesting the way some people think soldiers would be saying "After you..." and politely standing back from the barbed wire so that the ladies can pass first into the mine field. And all that stuff about men and women fighting side be side, feeling conflicted if a soldierix copped a bullet. Would gendered battalions solve that? And is it too controversial to ask if a platoon of Sapphic warriors would be more menacing than a phalanx of hermaphrodites?

Frankly, if we must have sanctioned fights to the death, shouldn't the sole criterion be psychopathy? "Rightio, who's the most efficient killer we've got?" I, for one, could make some suggestions.

And, of course, unfortunately, events in Abu Graib and elsewhere have revealed that at least some women, alas, can be just as depraved as many man.

Alchemy (Clive) · #44 24-06-2008, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by casstony

In the interests of promoting peace, only politicians should be allowed in the front lines.

theres a good suggestion.

War is ugly, i dontthink anyone should kill other people, my preference is not for women in combat roles, in a perfect world we wouldnt need armies, but clearly this is not so.

i dont think in the last 200 years an armyhas ever marched into one of the Anglosaxon countries....America, england , Australia, New Zealand,..... bombed from a distance, but not truly invaded. If it happaens now a few nukes will be forthcoming and i guess thats it, no need for anyone to fight we all die.

spacezebra (Petra) · #45 24-06-2008, 07:10 AM

So far - many comments by men (and two women).

My view. If we (meaning women) have signed up for the Australian Defence Force - we undertake all roles as ordered.

Cheers Petra d.

rmcpb (Rob) · #46 24-06-2008, 09:08 AM

After actually spending time in a trench with all the "goodies" that go with it I would say that no-one should have to do that, male or female.

I back the pollies in a square ring with broken glass on their gloves. A lot less conflicts that way...................

cahullian · #47 24-06-2008, 09:51 AM

I guess not too many of you have done any real military training. Women are not in the special forces because the physical demands are far too tough. Men fight, thats what we do,and if you dissagree with that, so be it.

When there is a noise outside my bedroom window at night my wife has never ever said "don't worry hun I'll go and see what it is." Women don't compete in physical sports with men because whe result would be a slaughter and the outcry would be deafening.
Men and women are different and I for one love the thought that my wife is kind, loving,and nurturing and she loves the fact that I,m strong and uncompromising in the defence of my family. Our current laws hate me for these quailties but I couldn't give a monkeys what the courts say, you come in through my window at night and you are on a long road to pain my friend.The hospital bed you would be in would be recognised as a change of address by australia post because of the length of time you would be spending in it.

I don't think women should be in the front like not because they are not equal but because they are different. Men and women can never be equal as both sexes can do things the other cant and all things being equal we would need to be able to do all thing the same. It's the differences in each sex that make them attractive to each other just as much as the similarities.

Rant over

Gazz

PCH (Paul) · #48 24-06-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by spacezebra

So far - many comments by men (and two women).

My view. If we (meaning women) have signed up for the Australian Defence Force - we undertake all roles as ordered.

Cheers Petra d.

Bravo ! - my thoughts exactly.

spacezebra (Petra) · #49 24-06-2008, 08:49 PM

Hi there

Only one final comment -

http://www.pullins.com/Books/01605Wo...arandResis.htm

Cheers Petra d.

strongmanmike (Michael) · #50 24-06-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by spacezebra

Hi there

Only one final comment -

http://www.pullins.com/Books/01605Wo...arandResis.htm

Cheers Petra d.

Nice one Petra

The Russians always were ahead of the west in elevating women in male domains even if it was often just to show the west that even their women were stronger

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Seems that so may (both men and women) in Australia and other countries think that all women are weak and physically inept

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Of course we must also prevent men from becoming nurses, child care workers, nannies and infants teachers etc too because they must be nancy boys who would need their wives to protect them and that would make our country weak and vulnerable to invasion and intrusion by burgulars

Mike

Miaplacidus (Brian) · #51 25-06-2008, 04:17 PM

Ahead of the west? Don't forget that 2500 years ago Spartan women received equivalent military training and fought right alongside their men (much to the amusement of the Athenians. That is, up until they needed them to help fend off the Persians.)
Seems like this debate is a helluva lot older than originally thought...

marki · #52 25-06-2008, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by strongmanmike

The gladiator reference was to the fact that there are clearly women of physical ability out there at least the equal of many soldiers currently serving in front line combat roles so with the correct training and if the desire is there then such a ban is unecessary.

Mike

Just a fleeting thought, silly and obvious in fact, but don't the female gladiators only compete against the female contestants? Not that I watch much TV............

ving (David) · #53 26-06-2008, 11:39 AM

send all the chjicks to war while us guys stay at home!!!!

/me hides...

cahullian · #54 26-06-2008, 12:43 PM

Lol Dave

Female leaders of nations don't mind sending their toops into battle. Britain,Isreal and India spring to mind and that is all in the last 50 years.

Gazz