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Old 31-03-2008, 09:52 PM
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It was taken to the local zoo today to try and find out what it is. They said it is a brown snake. So will have to keep an eye out from now on.
Phil
If that's a Brown Snake I will gladly push a peanut from Bateau Bay to Brisbane along the bitumen, with my snorkel.

The snake was obviously identified by the zoos' resident car park attendant.

Notwithstanding the above. I treat all snakes as dangerous. Even the prairie rattlesnake I managed to photograph from a distance of about 18 inches in Texas last year



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Old 31-03-2008, 10:23 PM
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We cleared a few hundred acres a while back full of bush rock and scrub
spent weeks picking up rocks under every one was a young snake or three
They were all browns but many were anything but brown .black , grey, banded ,whiteish ,olive ,greenish you name it you would often find many brown ones as well .. the girl from the uni happily pointed out why they were all the same snake .. I never had a clue that a young brown was anything ..but ..brown ..they apparently lose these odd colours as they grow a little ...take care

John wasn't that rattler believed to be a harmless snake by you and the
local guy right up until just after you got in close for that shot?..
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Old 01-04-2008, 08:42 AM
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In the day light the colour of this snake is brownish. Im just saying what the zoo reptile guy said it is. I don't care what it is it is the kids im worried about.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:37 PM
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juvenile browns.....

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In the day light the colour of this snake is brownish. Im just saying what the zoo reptile guy said it is. I don't care what it is it is the kids im worried about.
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When I saw Phil's post about lunchtime yesterday I just thought "well, that's a young brown" - and let me be rude and state that I've had more experience of a wide variety of snakes native to southern and central Australia than most IIS members have had either hot or cold breakfasts!

One or so comments are so ludicrous as to be.....well, best I just say: if a herpetologist at the local zoo tells you it's a brown, then you better have far more authority than they to counter, let alone arrogantly dismiss, that identification! Unless, of course, you're a complete idiot!

Juvenile browns (almost) literally come in the colours of the rainbow, and do some pretty good mimicking of many other species too. Whether that is an evolutionary thing, I'm unqualified to say.....

One of the characteristics that does differ them from many (more) harmless varieties - though these other types certainly do exhibit this trait to varying degrees as a defence mechanism - is their extremely aggressive behaviour re "striking."

I should be honest here and say that I have no personal knowledge/experience of White-crown snakes; but in the reading I have done this morning there are anomolies between any images/descriptions of said snake and those Phil photo'd: specifically re the banding as it surrounds the frontal and snout areas - but these types of markings are quite common in juvenile browns!

Snakes, and browns especially, are within household vicinities all across Australia: it's the old "what you don't know won't hurt you" story - or more correctly "won't freak you out" story. Ive accidently stepped on characters as thick as your forearm and 2 metres plus - if at all possible they will try to escape: hence the bit about most people being bitten trying to capture/kill snakes. I have also seen the most idiotically bloody stupid things people have attempted with snakes.

Phil, try not to leave stuff laying on the ground around the yard that snakes can find refuge under, that goes for their food sources as well (eg mice, scraps and lousy compost heaps as well as bad chook houses.) Teach your kids in a calm, intelligent way about snakes and how to avoid/deal with any unexpected encounters; and though I'm not a cat person, I will say that cats often clear the territory of them. Dogs end up bitten on the nose and die quickly.....

Snakes are territorial and are most active at specific times of the year: most young ones don't make it to adulthood, part of the reason behind their aggressive stance I presume.

Now where was that loose peanut....?

Cheers, Darryl.
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Old 02-04-2008, 11:33 AM
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John wasn't that rattler believed to be a harmless snake by you and the
local guy right up until just after you got in close for that shot?..
Exactly correct and why you take absolutely no notice of anything I might suggest about venomous/non-venomous snakes

More importantly why you treat every snake as dangerous.

My Texan Colleague who has seen hundreds of rattlers, mis-identified the snake. I took its photo from 18" away. It got real pissed and struck at me and fortunately missed. When it re positioned itself I saw it had a rattle on its tail. My first thought was "gee that's funny a non poisonous 'bull snake' having a rattle just like a real rattle snake." It was then the realisation of what happened and how lucky I was hit home. Subsequent examination of photos on the internet revealed that a non poisonous "bull snake (gopher snake)" and a poisonous "prairie rattle snake" can look very similar.

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Exactly correct and why you take absolutely no notice of anything I might suggest about venomous/non-venomous snakes

Most importantly, John, we need an update on the peanut pushing start date!
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Most importantly, John, we need an update on the peanut pushing start date!
Now, now Erick - if I seem to recall, it wasn't John that came up with this "White-crown" stuff, but a certain Melbournian we all know.

In saying that I have to confess that when I first saw your post, I checked your link and a couple of others alongside Phil's photos and thought a good opening for a posting in response would be - "I don't know anything about White-crowned snakes but I can read....." - but thought better of it!

I'm sure you can appreciate how lucky you are John: snake-bites aren't quite the same today with anti-venes and quick treatment; but they are no picnic in terms of illness and after-effects, let me tell you!

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Now, now Erick - if I seem to recall, it wasn't John that came up with this "White-crown" stuff, but a certain Melbournian we all know.
But note the use of question marks and disclaimer later! Eric make a definitive statement about an area he knows little about? Well yes, but not that often! And I never raised the matter of a peanut

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Old 02-04-2008, 05:29 PM
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Hey Phil!
I shall post your pic on a Snake forum if you don`t mind..they shall tell you what it is for sure...what I have heard is that the white crown snake is venomous anyway so release it well away from where the kids hang out.
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Old 02-04-2008, 05:52 PM
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Thanks Gary the zoo people let it go miles away from hear. Just hope he had no brothers or sisters.
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Old 03-04-2008, 09:34 AM
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Well the feedback from the forum all say its a white-crown snake as its head shape and the white nap are a give away. Baby browns just don`t have a white nap.
No peanut rolling guys!
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