50% SHO + 50% HOO Tarantula

[Bassnut (Fred)]

Wow, thats excellent Slaw, its a "messy" area hard to look right, the colour balance is well done and appropriate.

[Slawomir (Suavi)]

Thank you all very much for your comments and feedback, I mean it.

I could not rest until I was not relatively satisfied with the image, so I took on-board all advices, blended them and also followed my gut feeling limited by my skills in using software, but eventually I arrived approximately where I wanted to. RGB stars will follow one day.

Thank you again for your patience, we are up to version F

Large version: http://www.astrobin.com/full/233037/F/
Full resolution: http://cdn.astrobin.com/images/thumb...20Lipinski.jpg

Sincerely
S.

I think my next project will be of a DSO with less wild dynamic range...

[Atmos (Colin)]

Very punchy👍

[TR (Terry)]

This respecting the light is a ridiculous statement and extraordinarily dated. We have instruments and techniques that allow us to see into these areas. While walking in a forest, our eyes can see the bright areas and dim areas of that scene. To capture this requires a different approach, and allows our display devices which have limited dynamic range to render that wonderful scene for us to enjoy…

Painting images whenever wacky colour is - yeah, respecting the light I guess... Continually pulling that term out of the air is so grating and hypocritical. Processing our images is simply not respecting the light. We change it. Supress noise, enhance structure, we process the image. I am happy not to respect the light, and enjoy trying to dig out details like many Astro photographers. The idea of just stopping at a saturated blown image is ridiculous. Really, who wants to look at an image that has blown highlights? We don’t do this for terrestrial images.

Paul’s latest image of NGC 1097 is a failure according to this wacky criteria. Sorry Paul, I really enjoyed looking at the details you managed to extract in the core, but it broke the cardinal rule. You tried to make an interesting image, and you simply did not respect the light. In fact, Paul’s previous award by all rights should be a failure according to this construct. Yet, somehow it won. Again, I enjoyed looking at what Paul was trying to accomplish. He was trying to reveal structures. Allowing us to see the faint, and the bright stuff at the same time. Adding a bit of punch to an image. It’s amazing how this rule or statement is simply pulled out of one’s favoured or unfavoured orifice when it suits. Just be honest.

Stepping off my soap box now.

Terry

Not respecting the light…..

[Andy01 (Andy)]

Forgive me Slaw, but rather than continue to hack your thread, I've started a new one on the topic of "Respecting the Light" here...

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...28#post1220628

Keep the passionate debate going there folks

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Slawomir

Thank you all very much for your comments and feedback, I mean it.

I could not rest until I was not relatively satisfied with the image, so I took on-board all advices, blended them and also followed my gut feeling limited by my skills in using software, but eventually I arrived approximately where I wanted to. RGB stars will follow one day.

Thank you again for your patience, we are up to version F

Large version: http://www.astrobin.com/full/233037/F/
Full resolution: http://cdn.astrobin.com/images/thumb...20Lipinski.jpg

Sincerely
S.

I think my next project will be of a DSO with less wild dynamic range...

Great stuff Suavi that's the name of the game, you go at it as much as you like, good to see people enjoying this wonderfully eclectic hobby of ours, it is a very cool looking piece of work...but not sure which one I like best now

... and Terry, you make perfect sense

"pulled out of ones favoured or unfavoured orifice" really?...very poetic

Mike

[Stevec35 (Steve)]

A very well executed shot Slawomir! Almost too much detail there to get your head around.

Steve

[AG Hybrid (Adrian)]

That's brilliant! You should be very proud of your work.

[vlazg (George)]

Stunning image Slawomir, something to aim for

[Slawomir (Suavi)]

Originally Posted by Atmos

Very punchy👍

Thanks Colin, it certainly turned out a bit different

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Great stuff Suavi that's the name of the game, you go at it as much as you like, good to see people enjoying this wonderfully eclectic hobby of ours, it is a very cool looking piece of work...but not sure which one I like best now

... and Terry, you make perfect sense

"pulled out of ones favoured or unfavoured orifice" really?...very poetic

Mike

Thanks Mike, yeah...I think I am becoming increasingly addicted to this hobby...

Originally Posted by Stevec35

A very well executed shot Slawomir! Almost too much detail there to get your head around.

Steve

I know what you mean Steve! But my goal was to show as much as possible with my 4" doublet. Glad you like it though

Originally Posted by AG Hybrid

That's brilliant! You should be very proud of your work.

Thanks Adrian! Pride however, is a ticket to the dark side of the force...

Originally Posted by vlazg

Stunning image Slawomir, something to aim for

Thank you George, happy that you like it.

[Paul Haese]

An interesting interpretation Slawomir of the data. Not sure I like the flat look to the core but it's your image. Interesting colours too. I am still collecting data on my image of the same target.

Terry I wonder why you singled out my images in particular to jump on your soap box? Why not select one of you Mikes, or Marcus's, or Peter Ward's or one the other overall winners. Whilst you have a point, your statements are erroneous too. When looking up towards the bright light in a forest your eyes adjust to reduce the inflow of light but they still show the bright areas and the darks ones too. They don't show everything with the same level of illumination. I think some here actually don't know what David Malin has meant by his comments regarding "respecting the light". Light areas should be light and dark areas should look dark. In each area David does not mean blown or totally dark and it makes sense. David is talking about light and shadow in photography. The light is coming from a bright light source in most of these areas and those stars illuminate the immediate areas and behind those immediate gas and dust areas there is sometimes shadows cast. This is in essence light and shadow. All the detail will look flat if all the image has the same level of illumination. I would recommend a long detailed discussion with David to get a better understanding of his views. I found my particular conversation with him in 2012 rather interesting.

[topheart]

Interesting image and interesting discussion.

Thanks,
Tim

[Slawomir (Suavi)]

Thank you Paul and Tim.

Honestly, overall I prefer my bicolour version of the Tarantula before I added S2 data to it: http://www.astrobin.com/full/232152/B/?real=&mod=


And I totally agree, in my limited understanding, with what Paul wrote about shadows and light. IMO it adds mysticism and meaning to images.



EDIT: I went for a walk pondering how can I show all three channels in the photo without making it look so wild, and it hit me - try blending bi-colour version (which is more pleasantly balanced) with the wild tri-colour version!

Here is the result: http://www.astrobin.com/full/233037/G/
Full resolution: http://cdn.astrobin.com/images/thumb...20Lipinski.jpg

So I have got some colour in the core, stars are whitish, faint stuff shows up and there is some degree of respect to the light

Thank you all from the bottom of my heart for your feedback and patience - I would not be able to compose this final version without your encouragement and feedback

[Andy01 (Andy)]

Originally Posted by Slawomir

So I have got some colour in the core, stars are whitish, faint stuff shows up and there is some degree of respect to the light

My last twopence worth on this version - if you turn an image (any image) upside down look to where your eye goes first.

It should be going to the hero portion of the image. If it's not then maybe it needs to be lighter there (or other areas darker) to direct the eye to that Hero portion first.

Have fun Slaw, loving your persistance with this

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Slawomir

EDIT: I went for a walk pondering how can I show all three channels in the photo without making it look so wild, and it hit me - try blending bi-colour version (which is more pleasantly balanced) with the wild tri-colour version!

Ah huh...first signs of imaging insanity creeping in, watch out

Thank you all from the bottom of my heart for your feedback and patience - I would not be able to compose this final version without your encouragement and feedback

What ever you do Slaw, please keep smiling and stay happy, this whole game can become too serious and consuming pretty easily we must always remember we are not running nations here...just making crazy coloured wall art

Mike

[Slawomir (Suavi)]

Thank you Andy and Mike for your comments.

I am satisfied with this version of the Tarantula and already started thinking of my next project, but probably will start working on it after the NYE.

I will leave this photo as is. RGB stars are not necessary IMO, as the image is quite colourful and I actually like whitish stars in this one.

So it's time to dust my fishing gear and to do some damage to local fishing stocks

[Shiraz (Ray)]

what a tour-de-force - lovely work and pushing the boundaries of what is possible. well done.

[Slawomir (Suavi)]

Originally Posted by Shiraz

what a tour-de-force - lovely work and pushing the boundaries of what is possible. well done.

Thank you Ray

I certainly pushed my personal boundaries with this project

[LucasB (Lucas)]

Beautiful version of the Tarantula Slawomir! You have really excelled with thus image.
Lucas

[Slawomir (Suavi)]

Thank you Lucas