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Old 23-02-2014, 03:30 PM
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rem: USA unit for radiation dose absorbed by the body
Sievert (Sv): Metric system unit of radiation dose absorbed by the body


1 Sievert = 100 Rem
1 mSv = 100 millirem


1 x chest xray = 0.04 mSv = 4 millirem
1 x mammogram = 0.3 mSv = 30 millirem
Annual cosmic radiation from living at sea level = 0.24 MSv = 24 millirem
Annual living in Denver, USA = 0.5 mSv = 50 millirem
Level of radiation dosage that could cause some symptoms of radiation poisoning = 500 mSv = 50 rem
50% of people who received a 4,500 mSv dose (450 rem) at Hiroshima died of radiation poisoning.
Average annual natural background radiation in USA is 2.6 mSv (260 millirem).


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MITnews www.web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1994/safe-0105.html
MITnews http://www.web.mit.edu/newsoffice/20...vity-0328.html

Spot reading of 1.4 micro Sievert = 0.0014 mSv = 0.00014 rem. This radiation level is NOT something that one should worry about.

The fact that a Geiger counter can measure a certain level does not mean that it is dangerous. Its like measuring your car's speed in mm/hour to make sure you do not exceed the speed limit. If you are driving at 1000 mm/h and increase your speed a thousand times you are still only going at 1 km/h.
14 micro siervst x 24x 7=2352 micro siervat or 2.35 milli siervat per week
Or roughly 1 Xray per week.
Scarly, if you are domicile there, 50 Xrays per year!

As I am there for 2 weeks, 2 Xrays equivalent is ok, I suppose
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Old 23-02-2014, 04:16 PM
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14 micro siervst x 24x 7=2352 micro siervat or 2.35 milli siervat per week
Or roughly 1 Xray per week.
Scarly, if you are domicile there, 50 Xrays per year!

As I am there for 2 weeks, 2 Xrays equivalent is ok, I suppose
Just to correct the maths and an assumption ...

The 1.4 (not 14) microSieverts/hr spot reading would add up to 1.4 x 24 x 7 = 235.2 microSieverts/week, i.e you're out by a factor of 10.

But readings were "as high as" 1.4 microsieverts/hr and would have been lower on average. Even if that were the average, your total additional exposure over a fortnight would be ~470 microSieverts, so not so much.

BTW, even if you stood still at the hot spot, and the radiation stayed at that level all the time, and you stayed there for a year, you'd only receive an additional ~12 milliSieverts, which is approximately twice the USA background exposure rate (6.24 mSv/yr).
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Old 26-02-2014, 11:46 PM
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David,

There would be no reason to worry about the radiation; the smog blowing over from China is probably a bigger health risk than the miniscule increase in radiation. Enjoy your trip to Japan
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Just came across this article from a US Radio talk show...and it is scary!
http://www.turnerradionetwork.com/news/146-mjt

It gives you no peace of mind.
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David, do you want to listen to scare merchants, or scientists on this matter? You can always find someone willing to try and scare you out of your wits. Or you can apply the scientific method -- which is, after all, what all astronomy/optics is also based upon!

Take a look at this latest paper on radiation-risk levels in Japan, just out in PNAS:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/02/19/1315684111
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Old 27-02-2014, 04:05 PM
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David, do you want to listen to scare merchants, or scientists on this matter? You can always find someone willing to try and scare you out of your wits. Or you can apply the scientific method -- which is, after all, what all astronomy/optics is also based upon!

Take a look at this latest paper on radiation-risk levels in Japan, just out in PNAS:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/02/19/1315684111

I will trust the information coming from the USA instead of those from Japan.
There is a lot of comments that the radiation levels has been very much under quoted, especially by the Japanese government.
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Old 27-02-2014, 04:29 PM
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Nothing to worry about AT ALL. However, I have built one of these: https://sites.google.com/site/diygeigercounter/

It was heaps of fun to build and do things too.. Just wish it worked haha. I have no experience with this type of stuff when I attempted it..
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I'm interested in the subject, and work with ionizing radiation as part of my job. I wear a "film badge" (really a thermoluminescent detector (TLD)) at work, it's required by law.

I obtained a real (calibrated) geiger counter and took it on a plane trip, Sydney to Melbourne.

On the tarmac at Sydney, 0.08 microSieverts per hour.
At 16000 ft over Kosciusko, 6.5 microSieverts per hour, spiking to 9 occasionally.

Is this a problem ? Well, you need about 0.5 Sieverts in a short time (say a day) to get close to acute radiation sickness. That's 100,000 times more than on the flight to Melbourne. Some people can tolerate more than 0.5 Sv before getting sick.

Your chance of cancer is assumed to increase in a linear manner (from presumed zero) at a rate of 5.5% per Sievert (not milliSievert or microSievert). The average deaths from cancer (pooled) is about 20%, so if you cop a Sievert, you will likely suffer acute but mild radiation sickness and be 5% more likely to die from cancer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation-induced_cancer

If you are interested in finding out your dose during the trip to Japan, don't get an iPhone device which has not been calibrated. You don't want to scare yourself. You do want to be better informed.

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Tony Barry

PS Had a look at the iPhone module. Uses a reverse biased diode as a detector, and is good for low levels of radiation. Requires a copper shield of a certain thickness to get the detector to approximate a Sv response (which is basically catering for for biological impact). The engineers have done a nice job on the device, but the detector appears to be quite small and easily saturated. This is not a problem for people taking normal level readings. Putting red dots on maps to indicate high radiation levels might be a bit much though. High in terms of device sensitivity is not the same as biological impact.
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Last edited by tonybarry; 27-02-2014 at 09:57 PM. Reason: had a look at the iPhone device
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Old 27-02-2014, 10:11 PM
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I will trust the information coming from the USA instead of those from Japan.
There is a lot of comments that the radiation levels has been very much under quoted, especially by the Japanese government.
PNAS is a very well respected journal, it does not publish biased papers. The paper in question was also reviewed at UCB.
"Edited by Kirk R. Smith, University of California, Berkeley, CA, and approved January 22, 2014 (received for review August 21, 2013)"

The supporting documentation is also available if you cared to look at it.

But by all means buy your iPhone gadget and scare yourself when it goes off.

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