Thanks again Mark and Beren! these binos just get better - and

didnt think of folding down the eyecaps! when i said the eye relief was average - i really should said I was including the apparent field of view of the ep's seeming narrow or average in the equation? hhmmm - the sweet spots of focus arent hugely wide? (could be my eyes?), it seemed from my brief use of them. But I am not an optics expert by any stretch of the imagination hehe - I am like one of those people that like to drive cars ect. but i dont really enjoy tinkering with them or doing them up as much as a LOT of people seem to (i wish i was!) - but i still love to go for a spin in a nice one and give em some stick now and then

Kearn
PS I have to make a correction - I said it took a week to receive my 20x80 triplets here in Adelaide from Lee
Andrews - to be accurate it was actually much shorter than that - it was about 3 - 4 working days, as there was a weekend in the middle - feel better for that