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Old 29-11-2010, 02:55 AM
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LBVs

Hi Suzy & all,

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Interesting Rob , I've been wondering why E.Carina shows up yellow where as infact it is a LBV.
The LBV phenomenon is currently believed to be an evolutionary stage most if not all really massive stars (ie >70-odd solar-masses) pass through -- the "B" part here can be a bit midleading because they're not always blue and their spectrum is in a state of frequent flux as is their colour/temprature. They sometimes show A and F type spectra and also the rare Ofpe/WN9type spectral type. These unstable stars are shedding mass at very high rates and are almost always surrounded by small planetary-type nebulae that have been ejected in outbursts over a period (like the Homunculus surrounding Eta Carinae).

It is a stage these super-stars pass through to loose mass and their outer-layers before they end up as stripped-down Wolf-Rayet stars which ultimately expire either as Type Ib or Ic (stripped-core collapse) "collapsar" supernovae.

These two types of supernovae (particularly Ic) are thought to produce the deadly, highly focused bi-polar "long" gamma-ray bursts that originate when the core collapses directly to a singularity. If one of these bad-boys goes off <100,000ly away and is pointing it pole exactly at you; find somewhere quiet to lie down, say your prayers and put a paper-bag over your head -- you're cooked.

Sometimes as LBVs they don't/can't hang around long enough to eject their outer envelopes of Hydrogen and Helium to become Wolf-Rayets and instead undergo core-collapse to become Type II supernovae, or as another alternative possibly end as an exotic pair-instability supernova that disrupts the entire star. This last scenario is only reserved for the absolute top-shelf mega-boys (ie >120 solar-masses) that leaves behind no remnant (ie no neutron star/singularity).

It looks a bit like heavy-going, but there is a good, meaty explanation about the LBV evolutionary stage here:

http://www.peripatus.gen.nz/Astronomy/LumBluVar.html

as a matter of pure trivia, it mentions the LBV hypergiant AG Carinae (which has the exotic Ofpe/WN9 type spectra) quite a bit. I've a soft-spot for this star as it is (when in outburst) the most distant naked-eye star in our sky at almost 20,000ly. To put that in context, the overwhelming majority (probably > 95%) of naked-eye stars are closer to the Sun than 2,000ly.

Hope it helps.


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Les D
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Old 29-11-2010, 11:43 AM
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Les, thanks so much for explaining all of that and I will have a read of that link a bit later when I relax with a cuppa.

Andrew, apologies If it appears that I have hijacked your thread.
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Old 30-11-2010, 12:07 AM
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No problem there, I am keeping a lookout for any further suggestions.

Would be interested to hear if anyone has come across the matter of the lack of blue sensitivity in the centre of the eye before (see further back in this thread).

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