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Old 08-07-2009, 09:24 AM
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Stephen, I have just sent you a PM.
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Old 08-07-2009, 02:29 PM
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Sorry, I have to correct myself about pricing for masks. It takes a bit longer than I have expected to cut such a complex design where cuts are very close to each other. Plus there is an extra time to give it a good sanding for stunning look.
However it is still super low price of $1.5 per each inch of your scope aperture. So for example this mask cut from 3mm MDF for Vixen VC200L is just $12 + $1.10 for shipping.
I have figured out that I cannot ship it for 55c as mask can be bent or broken if it's sent without any protection. I have to put it on another sheet of 3mm MDF and bubble wrap it which makes the whole package more 5mm(55c postage cost) thick but it's still under 20mm which is just $1.10.

So if anyone interested please PM me. I have one for Vixen VC200L(full focal length) ready that fits perfectly into the OTA without even worrying about any mounting solution. I am gonna test it today if weather is ok

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Old 09-07-2009, 12:34 PM
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I have just posted an ad here with prices for both mdf and acrylic masks and pictures.
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Old 07-09-2009, 12:52 PM
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this was the first use of my cusom made mask that i drew up and designed from the formula. Acrux was the target. Taken at Qld astrofest 2009. it was a joy to focus
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Old 07-09-2009, 01:24 PM
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this was the first use of my cusom made mask that i drew up and designed from the formula. Acrux was the target. Taken at Qld astrofest 2009. it was a joy to focus
Hi Dave

Very nice! From the image scale, this looks like it was taken through your main ‘scope, not a smaller ‘scope such as an ED80? Was taken with the modified 350D?

Since Pavel “invented” these masks, I actually enjoy the whole focusing process, something I dreaded pre-Bahtinov!

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Old 07-09-2009, 02:27 PM
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Hi Dave

Very nice! From the image scale, this looks like it was taken through your main ‘scope, not a smaller ‘scope such as an ED80? Was taken with the modified 350D?

Since Pavel “invented” these masks, I actually enjoy the whole focusing process, something I dreaded pre-Bahtinov!

Cheers

Dennis
yes Dennis, it was through the 127ED with the cooled 350D.

it is just fantastic to click off a 6 second shot, preview it and see the instand result, then slightly adjust the focus and do it again. I never would have been able to do this normally
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Old 14-02-2010, 09:21 AM
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A Little Variation - The Bahtinov Racquet!

What's a bloke to do on a rainy weekend but to tinker in the shed?

If you like to build your own stuff or can't afford to buy masks for all your scopes and lenses or you aren't happy with the amount of light your existing Bahtinov mask lets through (or maybe you're just looking for an excuse to spent some quiet time in the shed) then maybe a Bahtinov Racquet is the go for you.

I used a jig saw to cut the frames from some scrap 3mm MDF, but there's a couple of tricks to making these.

Firstly I drew them full scale in CAD, including the lines for the strings and the centrelines and PCD for the holes. I printed the patterns full size, and used "Clag" school/paper glue (from the newsagents) to stick them to the MDF.

Then use the jigsaw to cut out the frames.

I drew the holes in the pattern at 3mm diameter, but only used a 2mm drill. This meant I had a circle left drawn around the hole after drilling so I could check the holes was accurately in the right place. To help achieve this I used a centre punch and pushed a "centre pop" where each hole was to go. If the centre pop wasn't quite right, it's easy to fix by just just working the centre punch in the direction the hole has to move until the pop mark is central to the hole circle on the pattern.

Once it is cut out and drilled, just peel the pattern off. The wax in the MDF doesn't allow the clag glue to permanently stick to the board. I'm not sure if it will work the same with other materials like Ply, or plastic, but it's worth a try.

Sand it up and scrape the holes a little with a reamer of some sort (I used an old hacksaw blade I ground to a wicked little concave point) and spray with clear lacquer if you want. In my usual impatience I didn't let my lacquered frames dry long enough... they were dry to touch but after the handling required to string the things, they were tacky and covered in finger prints (they are definitely mine!).

The ED80 racquet I cut and glued a piece of thicker MDF to the frame to support it on the scope, but for the C11 and my camera lenses racquets I used some recycled shelf supports.

I'm yet to string the camera lens racquet, that'll probably be today's job.

The centre bar to support the strings I made 8mm wide in all cases, though I could've possibly gone as narrow as 6 for the camera lens racquet.

I used the last of my supply of fishing line when I built the racquet for my C8 ages ago, so I had to buy more line. I bought the lightest stuff I could find, but with my eyes that's not necessarily the best thing to do. I don't think the weight of line matters much to how it works, but thicker line would've been easier for me to work with.

Oh yeah, the fishermen among you may have better ideas, but I tied my strings off with surgeon's knots and applied a dab of "Multigrip" general purpose glue to the knots just to be sure...

Al.
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Old 14-02-2010, 09:48 AM
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That looks very good and will let a lot more light thru than the original bhatinov mask
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Old 14-02-2010, 10:53 AM
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That looks very good and will let a lot more light thru than the original bhatinov mask
That was the big motivation I had to try the racquet idea in the first place. More light through means it can work on dimmer stars. After using one for a while I find I don't need to adjust camera settings to view the diffraction spikes, so checking focus is a snap. Throw the mask on, check focus, adjust if necessary and then take the shot without adjusting settings.

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Old 14-02-2010, 12:19 PM
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I just love these variations on the design – top stuff Al! Be sure to take some photos using the mask and post the results so we can compare the traditional thick vane shots with the new, beaut, “Al-racket-mask” shots!

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Old 14-02-2010, 01:16 PM
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Yep... when the clouds clear...

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Old 16-02-2010, 01:44 PM
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Bartinov Racquet Patterns - Lens, ED80 and C11

For anyone who can use them, here are PDF copies of the patterns I used for the racquets.

The C11 racquet is in 2 parts. I suggest you print both and join them or glue them together before gluing to the board. I tried to squeeze it out of 1 A3 sheet and couldn't quite do it. I dropped the extreme strings, but still had some issues with lack of paper on the edges.

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Old 16-02-2010, 03:24 PM
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Really helpfull article Al. I also was wondering how to get the Bahtinov mask to work with dimmer stars and it looks as if you have solved the problem.
Excellent solution and the PDFs will be most helpfull
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Old 25-02-2010, 10:02 PM
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Wow Wow Wow ... let me say it one more time
... WOW

I finally got around to making one of these Bahtinov masks and I have to say it is the best invention since the wheel!! It took me all of two seconds to reach perfect focus, and this was with a clunky rack and pinion focuser which shifts the image around the field of view while racking in and out. The spikes stand out like the proverbial dog's privates. Two hours of my time making the mask well spent. Thank you Mr. Bahtinov
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Old 20-03-2010, 12:49 PM
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Bevels?

Guys, I know nothing about laser cutting but I wonder if the cut can be angled very slightly to produce a cut with a 'knife edge'. Needs two cuts along each line. For a 12" f/10 you only need .5 degree tilt. You can then use any thickness and get cleaner, knife-edge diffraction. (??)

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Old 10-12-2010, 01:33 PM
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dragging this thread out again - how do you make a bhatnov mask for a C11 hyperstar scope?
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Old 10-12-2010, 03:07 PM
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dragging this thread out again - how do you make a bhatnov mask for a C11 hyperstar scope?
With a big hole in the centre
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Old 10-12-2010, 03:18 PM
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I’d make it with a strategically placed slot/cut-out, so you can ease the cables through the slot when fitting the mask to the OTA, with a large enough central hole cut out, as mentioned by Bojan.

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Old 27-12-2010, 09:10 AM
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That was the big motivation I had to try the racquet idea in the first place. More light through means it can work on dimmer stars. After using one for a while I find I don't need to adjust camera settings to view the diffraction spikes, so checking focus is a snap. Throw the mask on, check focus, adjust if necessary and then take the shot without adjusting settings.

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I vote you most worthy IIS member of 2010 for the 2nd year in a row.
Making one of these today for the ED80.

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Old 28-12-2010, 11:13 AM
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dragging this thread out again - how do you make a bhatnov mask for a C11 hyperstar scope?
Just use a normal bathinov mask and fit it against the camera. You'll need a long enough dew shield to do this.
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