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Old 07-12-2012, 11:28 AM
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New "old" comet, C2012 V4

Sorry for the lateness on this, been busy! Anyway, in late November, Dr Rob Matson picked up a moving object in SWAN images, and Terry Lovejoy provided a ground-based confirmation of it. Originally listed in NEOCP as SWAN12B, it was later designated C/2012 V4. Michael Mattiazzo of Castlemaine, Vic, first suggested a link between this comet and the long-lost D/1827 M1 (Pons-Gambart). The first tentative orbit based on a 62 year period suggested that two apparitions had been missed but in the latest MPEC a new orbit has been proposed that makes this the first return of the comet since 1827, apparently a much better fit. The MPEC went on to say:

"At the present time, the solution presented here is believed to be correct, as the fit of the bulk of the 1827 observations (known to be grossly inaccurate by modern standards) is far better than earlier attempts with shorter orbital periods. There is a slight systematic trend in the current residuals, which may be related to observation weighting. Continued observation is clearly desirable."

Bit more work to be done in this fascinating story! The comet has been temporarily given the C prefix while they work on the period, and there is no name pending more certainty in the link to Pons-Gambart.

Anyway, last Sunday I got a clear break and set up camera & telescope and had a short but intense viewing/photographic session. I was taking 1 min subs of the field as the sky darkened and the comet sank lower in the west, interspersed with dashes to the eyepiece while ICNR was doing its stuff! I could see the comet clearly (4.5" f8 reflector at 43x) but because I never got properly dark adapted it looked very small and faint. The image I got is the first attached, the comet showing a lovely green.

Monday night I scrapped the camera and decided to get a good observation of the comet:
C/2012 V4, 2012 Dec 3.455 UT; m1= 9.5; Dia= 2'; DC= 5; 11.4cm f8 refl (43x) [Rob Kaufman, Bright, Vic, Australia].
Small coma moderately condensed, no tail visible; bright star-like inner coma visible in brief glimpses in poor seeing; low elevation in west, sky brightness. Ref= NOMAD1 data in ViZier; Method= M.

Then work, life & clouds intervened and I'm on the road again sans telescope. But it was pretty exciting seeing what had probably not been seen since 1827!

The comet is more than likely not viewable now from southern areas as it has moved into daylight. It will return briefly to our skies later on but much, much dimmer.

http://www.minorplanetcenter.net/mpec/K12/K12X14.html
http://scully.cfa.harvard.edu/cgi-bi...d=c&o=CK12V040

C/2012 V4 is also currently moving through the STEREO Behind HI2 field and showing a growing tail. Here's a link to a little animation I put together from data from 27 Nov, no tail showing then:
http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/w...7animation.gif

Attached is an image from HI2B from 4 Nov, showing the long tail.

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Old 07-12-2012, 11:53 AM
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Sorry for the lateness on this, been busy! Anyway, in late November, Dr Rob Matson picked up a moving object in SWAN images, and Terry Lovejoy provided a ground-based confirmation of it. Originally listed in NEOCP as SWAN12B, it was later designated C/2012 V4. Michael Mattiazzo of Castlemaine, Vic, first suggested a link between this comet and the long-lost D/1827 M1 (Pons-Gambart). The first tentative orbit based on a 62 year period suggested that two apparitions had been missed but in the latest MPEC a new orbit has been proposed that makes this the first return of the comet since 1827, apparently a much better fit. The MPEC went on to say:

"At the present time, the solution presented here is believed to be correct, as the fit of the bulk of the 1827 observations (known to be grossly inaccurate by modern standards) is far better than earlier attempts with shorter orbital periods. There is a slight systematic trend in the current residuals, which may be related to observation weighting. Continued observation is clearly desirable."

Bit more work to be done in this fascinating story! The comet has been temporarily given the C prefix while they work on the period, and there is no name pending more certainty in the link to Pons-Gambart.

Anyway, last Sunday I got a clear break and set up camera & telescope and had a short but intense viewing/photographic session. I was taking 1 min subs of the field as the sky darkened and the comet sank lower in the west, interspersed with dashes to the eyepiece while ICNR was doing its stuff! I could see the comet clearly (4.5" f8 reflector at 43x) but because I never got properly dark adapted it looked very small and faint. The image I got is the first attached, the comet showing a lovely green.

Monday night I scrapped the camera and decided to get a good observation of the comet:
C/2012 V4, 2012 Dec 3.455 UT; m1= 9.5; Dia= 2'; DC= 5; 11.4cm f8 refl (43x) [Rob Kaufman, Bright, Vic, Australia].
Small coma moderately condensed, no tail visible; bright star-like inner coma visible in brief glimpses in poor seeing; low elevation in west, sky brightness. Ref= NOMAD1 data in ViZier; Method= M.

Then work, life & clouds intervened and I'm on the road again sans telescope. But it was pretty exciting seeing what had probably not been seen since 1827!

The comet is more than likely not viewable now from southern areas as it has moved into daylight. It will return briefly to our skies later on but much, much dimmer.

http://www.minorplanetcenter.net/mpec/K12/K12X14.html
http://scully.cfa.harvard.edu/cgi-bi...d=c&o=CK12V040

C/2012 V4 is also currently moving through the STEREO Behind HI2 field and showing a growing tail. Here's a link to a little animation I put together from data from 27 Nov, no tail showing then:
http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/w...7animation.gif

Attached is an image from HI2B from 4 Nov, showing the long tail.

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Brilliant work Rob, Well done

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Old 07-12-2012, 11:57 AM
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Thanks Ron. I meant to post this in Observational & Visual Astronomy but something went wrong (with my brain LOL). I suppose it's a Celestial & Astronomical Event too...

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Old 07-12-2012, 01:47 PM
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The comet is more than likely not viewable now from southern areas as it has moved into daylight.
Well, maybe not. Outbackmanyep got an observation last night, mag 9.4. If you've got a flat western horizon and you can see Mars, you might have a shot. This evening the comet is only about half a degree from the Red Planet. You'll probably need a detailed chart though because of sky lightness/low altitude. Think tiny, fuzzy, faint spot!

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Old 07-12-2012, 03:13 PM
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My western sky is rubbish so I'll be looking forward to reports from you guys.
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:23 AM
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Lucky enough to be staying in St Arnaud, Vic, tonight - clouds which had been building up this afternoon cleared late and there's some great flat horizons west and north of the town! Anyway, had a go at imaging the comet again as a last hurrah and got it, sort of! Unfortunately it was blowing a gale here which was a bit too much for my fairly flimsy tripod and Vixen Polarie. But it's there so I'm happy, still showing colour. First is a tight crop at half size, second shows the cloud bands near the horizon, pretty murky down low.
http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/w...ec2012text.jpg
http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/w...1-00UTcrop.jpg


Might still be gettable for a night or two yet by the look of it, if you have a dead flat horizon and clear air. All academic for me as I'm headed home to the mountains tomorrow!


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Old 09-12-2012, 09:13 AM
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That showed up pretty well with modest equipment Rob. Maybe I could get away with something similar if I can find a clear view.
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