Go Back   IceInSpace > Equipment > Equipment Discussions
Register FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1  
Old 13-05-2012, 05:16 PM
LightningNZ's Avatar
LightningNZ (Cam)
Registered User

LightningNZ is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Canberra
Posts: 951
Astro Optical Supplies/Orion (Rant)

I'm sorry. I have to do this. I need to vent.

Last year in October I called Astro Optical Supplies in Sydney and placed an order for an Orion Skyglow Imaging filter (2"). I received the filter a couple of weeks later and found it had clear spots on it - the filter had been improperly made. So the filter went back and I was told (when I called) several weeks later that the replacement sent from Orion was also similarly dysfunctional and that I'd need to wait till a new batch was made.

One day in December I received a filter in my mailbox (no warning it was coming). It was a cheap filter from a brand that even Google didn't know (and I no longer remember). I thought, well at least they sent me something to use in the mean-time - that's good service. So I phoned Neil at AOS. No. It was a fully paid-for substitute and not just to get me through. They were charging me the full $200 I'd paid. That annoyed me. A lot.

I ran it through a spectrophotometer at work and sure enough it was nothing like what I'd ordered. I sent it back and called Neil at AOS explaining that it wasn't what I'd ordered and that I'd wait.

So I waited.

And waited.

I phoned in February and was told it was on it's way soon.

Now it's the 13th of May and I look in my mailbox to find a filter sized parcel from AOS. Here it is, my new filter! But it's the wrong one...

I ordered an Orion Skyglow Imaging filter (2"). It leaves both O2 and H-alpha open and shuts out everything else. Instead I've been sent an Orion Skyglow Broadband filter (2"). It doesn't let any H-alpha through and will be no help at all for my astrophotography. Which is why I didn't order that one.

What do you reckon folks, do you think in anther 3 months I'll be sent a Skyglow Imaging filter 1 1/4"?

GAGAGRGAHAGAHAAGAHGAAAA!!!!!

Thank you. I feel a little better now.

Cam
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 13-05-2012, 05:47 PM
FlashDrive's Avatar
FlashDrive (Poppy)
Senior Citizen

FlashDrive is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Bribie Island
Posts: 5,068
I feel for you Cam .... How things get so ' pear ' shaped when a simple order for a 2' Filter can go sooooooo wrong ... is beyond me sometimes.

Frustrating isn't it.

Flash
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 13-05-2012, 05:56 PM
GeoffW1's Avatar
GeoffW1 (Geoff)
Registered User

GeoffW1 is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 1,847
Hi,

I hope they read this, I'm certainly taking careful note.

Cheers
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 13-05-2012, 06:00 PM
terrynz (Terence)
Terry_wlg_NZ

terrynz is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
Posts: 78
Oh, that's pretty piss poor. Check the Ozzie consumer guarantee act. Should help.

Cheers
T
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 13-05-2012, 06:25 PM
casstony
Registered User

casstony is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Warragul, Vic
Posts: 4,494
If you paid by Visa you might be able to get a refund via the credit card company and start again. While I have a properly functioning visual Orion Skyglow it's quality of manufacture is lower than other brands I have (Lumicon, 1000 oaks, DGM NPB).
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 13-05-2012, 08:30 PM
Poita (Peter)
Registered User

Poita is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: NSW Country
Posts: 3,586
Ask for your money back and order a DGM off ebay, you won't be sorry.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 13-05-2012, 08:40 PM
stephenb's Avatar
stephenb (Stephen)
Registered User

stephenb is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: all over the shop...
Posts: 2,098
Cam,

Your post is close to home because I've spent the last few months resolving situations such as this on behalf of some clients interstate, but simply this: Based on the information you have provided, it is my opinion that a complete refund is what you are entitled to, and nothing less. Apart from the poor communications from the retailer, you are entitled under Australian Consumer Law which is set out under the guidelines of the ACCC here:

http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index...itemId/1023610

http://www.accc.gov.au/content/item....%20refunds.pdf

And the NSW fairtrading information:

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/Co...lacements.html


Your contract of sale is with the retailer who is acting on behalf of the agent (manufacturer/wholesaler).

In summary, the item is faulty and does not meet the expectation of the contact of sale. The retailer can be given allowance to provide a replacement but this must be with the agreement of both parties. I would say their time is well and truly up.



From: http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/Co...lacements.html

"Replacements
:
The person or business giving the replacement must provide goods of the same type and similar value. If such a replacement is not reasonably available, you may choose a repair or a refund.
You must return goods to them. If this involves significant cost, they must collect the goods at their own expense.
The consumer guarantees that applied to the original goods will apply to the replacements.
For example, a consumer buys a new mobile phone. Due to a problem, the supplier replaces it. Consumer guarantees apply to the replacement phone as if it were a new mobile phone."


and...


"Refunds:
The person or business giving the refund must repay any money you paid for the returned goods, and return any other form of payment you made – for example, a trade-in.
If this is not possible, they must refund the value of the item.
They must not:
  • offer a credit note, exchange card or replacement goods instead of a refund. You cannot accept this kind of offer
  • refuse a refund, or reduce the amount, because the goods were not returned in original packaging or wrapping."

Based on my recent experience, situations like yours are generally not isolated. Some retailers are ignorant when it comes to the most basic understanding of consumer law.

If it was me, my money would be going to a different retailer in the future.

I hope this helps...
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 13-05-2012, 10:07 PM
LightningNZ's Avatar
LightningNZ (Cam)
Registered User

LightningNZ is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Canberra
Posts: 951
That's Stephen that's really helpful, and much appreciated.

Tony and Peter - Good call on reconsidering a DGM NPB.

Thanks,
Cam
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 14-05-2012, 05:01 PM
Exfso's Avatar
Exfso (Peter)
Registered User

Exfso is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 1,699
My opinion about this company could get me in big doodoo They cost me heaps.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 14-05-2012, 05:55 PM
LightningNZ's Avatar
LightningNZ (Cam)
Registered User

LightningNZ is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Canberra
Posts: 951
Peter - that really sucks. There should be some blacklist of outfits like this.

I called them today and told them the filter is coming back and I expect a full refund pronto. I'm really glad it was only a filter I ordered.

Cam
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 22-05-2012, 11:02 PM
LightningNZ's Avatar
LightningNZ (Cam)
Registered User

LightningNZ is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Canberra
Posts: 951
Thought it would only be fair to post an update to say I've received all my money back. Still won't be going there again!

Thanks for all the advice,
Cam
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 23-05-2012, 05:57 PM
robz (Robert)
Registered User

robz is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Perth West Australia
Posts: 415
To think that when I was a teenager Astro Optical were the gods of telescope parts.
I don't think I will be dealing with them after hearing that saga!
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 23-05-2012, 09:20 PM
floyd_2's Avatar
floyd_2 (Dean)
Registered User

floyd_2 is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Cecil Hills (Sydney)
Posts: 557
Monty and crew used to own it back then. I think it's a whole different team there now.

Dean
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 23-05-2012, 10:10 PM
stephenb's Avatar
stephenb (Stephen)
Registered User

stephenb is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: all over the shop...
Posts: 2,098
Quote:
Originally Posted by robz View Post
To think that when I was a teenager Astro Optical were the gods of telescope parts.
I don't think I will be dealing with them after hearing that saga!

Back in the 1980's the Melbourne shop was "Mid-city Arcade, 200 Bourke Street, Melbourne" My first scope - a Tasco 600 refractor - was purchased there.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +10. The time is now 05:43 PM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.8.7 | Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertisement
Bintel
Advertisement