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Old 23-03-2006, 04:11 PM
DRCORTEX (Lance)
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Three Months On - and then, and then

Hi,

My astronomy/equipment experiences to date - I'm now a less than new - newbie

1. Purchase of BT-252 - 10" Newtonian with Dob Mount - can't fault - I've been to a few sessions now, and it stacks up well against the opposition, and as far as visually goes, performs even better for DSO's - planetary, well, thats a whole different kettle of fish.

2. Eye Pieces - the Andrews/Bintel EP's - they do ok, but there are better, especially one 11mm Televue I saw Saturn through - ouch!
But I feel that trying to keep a Dob lined up with 11mm or less, and still go WOW! on a planetary item is WOW! ****** hard! I was especially dissapointed with the 15mm or less Andrews EP's ( they go with the scope when I sell )

3. Setup - saw one guy spend an hour just getting his scope going - hardly productive when most people hit the road around 12 to 1 am, and in summer, the sun dosn't set ( in Sydney ) till around 8 or 9
The Dob - wins handsdown.

4. Standard BT-252 Finder - for Newbies they really need to fit this with the correctional - put another 100 on the scope - just getting used to it is a nightmare ( and I'm still not used to it ).

5. Bought me a red spot finder - THE BEST DAMN THING I HAVE BOUGHT for the scope, wow, starhopping became less of a burden. The naked eye, the finder, which of those suckers is which ? You know what I mean.

6. Starhopping - living in a highly polluted area, I wanted something that would give me even a "small" chance of seeing, and I simply couldn't afford the time to go searching - so got myself an Argo Navis. So far, so so, but early days. Some definite alignment problems, but the guys from Argo seem genuine. ( that will come into my next quarterly report, along with my 25" truss mounted Dob, that fits into a standard 3 man tent bag, and can be assembled in 10 mins flat without any collimation needed - oh, which brings me to

7. Collimation - I still havn't got this baby down pat - it's ****** hard. Laser collimation, no sweat, twirl this knob, twitch that, red dot here, another there, but then stick in the cheshire, no way man! - until I can see Rob and Co from WSAAAS at the next chance I get to go to the mountains, it will have to do. It sounds easy, but when you know exactly what your doing, it is. ( Rob - if your reading - I want this as a topic at a monthly meeting, including mirror removal, cleaning, etc )

8. Value - It isn't cheap, thats for sure.

9. Enjoyment - ranks up there with a sphinter factor of 8/10 - when someone says - "Whats That?" - and you can just look up, and say "That's Sirius, oh, and that ones Procyon, and thats Rigel, and that Redish/Yellow one is Bet, and that one over there, is Saturn, etc", and it just becomes 2+2=4, then yeah, lifes good.

10. Best Experience

The first time I saw Saturn, and Tuc 47

End of Report

Clear Skies

Lance ( Doc )

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Old 23-03-2006, 05:43 PM
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Reads like an enjoyable start to a life long hobby...
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Old 23-03-2006, 06:00 PM
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Just two comments on your observations.

1: You cant judge the planetary performance of a newtonian until you know how to collimate well and check it each time before starting a planet viewing session. Dont even look at the laser again until you have mastered the cheshire

2: Tracking planets at high magnifications becomes much easier when you do some simple mods to improve the motions. Out of the box the dobs are sticky and jerky in their movements, making high magnification work just that.........work
No you dont need an eq mount to view planets in comfort, just get that dob moving sweetly
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Old 23-03-2006, 06:26 PM
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Collimation with a Cheshire is not hard at all. Just take it slow at first. there is an excellent Newtonian collimation guide on www.skyandtelescope.com

Geoff is right about planets: collimation for the views and smoother motion for manual tracking. Just some washers around the centre bearing will make a huge difference. (See milk jug washer mod.)

A straight-through finder is the best finder if you only have one finder. I got used to it very quickly, but I now use a Rigel 1x and a right-angle finder to save my neck. I actually had to get reused to the correct-image one, because it is upside down compared with what I see in the EP.

Value: well that's subjective. I still think one is getting a hell of a lot of telescope for the money with the 6-12" Dobs available these days. Few short years ago this would have been unthinkable.

But it sounds like your fun to frustration ratio is pretty good, anyway.
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Old 23-03-2006, 07:54 PM
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Collimation with a Cheshire is not hard at all. Just take it slow at first. there is an excellent Newtonian collimation guide on www.skyandtelescope.coms
Experts usually say things like that. Then, you smile, and become an expert.

I've played with the scope till my heart bleeds - you never really know when your right or wrong. The laser is true ( even built a laser collimator - couple of nails and a stick - selling for $50 a pop if anyone is interested ),
but the the cheshire still shows it out. I'm at the limit of my knowledge for now ).

ciao

Doc
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Old 23-03-2006, 08:06 PM
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Lance,

Bring your scope to the next meeting. We are discussing mods and mount mods are high on the agenda, we can also take a look at your collimation then if we don't have any luck between now and then at an observing night. This Saturday is the first, hope the bl***y clouds clear but I have been on a buying spree and that will guarantee its cloudy for months.

See ya
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Old 23-03-2006, 10:33 PM
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Yep if confused, you'll only need to be shown once and from then on its easy .

You too can be an expert
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