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Old 13-12-2011, 03:53 PM
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Queries re: Skywatcher 10 inch dobsonian and accessories

G’day all,

Long time between posts for me!

I believe the time has finally come for me to buy my first telescope! I have been eyeing off one for about 18 months now and feel now is the time to finally take the plunge.

Just hoping to get your advice on the telescope and accessories I’m looking to buy and whether they’re decent enough.

TELESCOPE:

The scope I’m looking to get is a Skywatcher 10 inch (SW880) solid tube dobsonian (white). Now I hear these scopes are pretty good so I’m not too worried about my choice. The cheapest scope I can see online is $775 at MyAstroShop. Is MyAstroShop an ok place to get this from? Has anyone dealt with these people before?

EYEPIECES:

The main question I have is about the eyepieces. I’m very new to this and I don’t quite understand it all. The scope comes with a 2 inch focuser, 1.25 inch adaptor, and 1.25 inch plossl 25 and 10 eyepieces. I have really no idea what that means. Perhaps someone could explain?

Are the eyepieces decent enough to start off with? Also, do these 2 eyepieces provide good sized fields of view? I dream of zooming close in on planets and DSO’s, however I’m aware of the limitations of manual tracking – particularly the difficulty in tracking objects at such close magnifications. So, do the magnifications I would have available provide a “close but not too close” perspective where I could adequately track planets but still at a reasonable magnification to see planet detail? What magnifications would I have available with these eyepieces?

FINDERSCOPE:

Next, I understand that the 9x50 finderscope that comes with the telescope is annoying to use because you have to look through it in the direction where the telescope points which is hard to do with your head. I am looking to replace this with a right angle finderscope. MyAstroShop has a Skywatcher 9x50 right angle finderscope with bracket for $145. Is 9x50 the best specifications for a finderscope or should I be looking for less magnification? Has anyone else used the Skywatcher finderscope? Is it good or are there better ones (hopefully cheaper ones) out there? Also, do you recon the store would consider replacing the standard finderscope with the right angle one for free?

COLLIMATOR:

Ok, I’d like to get a good quality collimator to help align my telescope mirrors every now and then. I’m looking towards getting a laser collimator because I can use it in the dark and it would hopefully be easy to use. I am planning to use the scope for visual only and so micro-precision collimation is not a high priority.

Does anyone have suggestions for a good quality laser collimator? I really have no idea what would be the best brand. So far I’ve come across online the following ones:

- U-Shop: Saxon CM02 laser collimator: $119
- Oz Scopes: Saxon CM02 laser collimator: $119
- Bintel: Orion laser mater deluxe collimator: $79
- Andrews Communication: Andrews laser collimator: $69
- MyAstroShop: Farpoint 1.25 and 2” combination laser collimator: $179
- MyAstroShop: HoTech 1.25” collimator: $149

Perhaps I’ve missed the best one out there? I wouldn’t want to spend over $150 but will if I have to. Any help would be great.

MOON FILTER LENS:

I want a decent moon filter to explore the moon. Out of interest, how close can you comfortably view the moon before it gets too difficult to manually track the moon? What magnification would be best?

To see the moon what is a good moon filter. They seem to range from $15 to $50. Is it good to spend more or is the quality just as good on a lower-priced version?

OBSERVING CHAIR:

I remember reading on IceInSpace some time ago that you can build your own chair for dobsonians? Or perhaps someone makes them and sells them? Are these home made chairs good or do they fall short of the mark?

There are a few observing chairs for sale online. The “stella observing chair” from Bintel for $179 looks interesting???

CAMERA ATTACHMENT:

I have a basic “point and shoot” Canon camera I want to stick on the eyepiece to take some happy snaps. Do the “universal camera attachments” (of which there are many out there) usually accommodate these types of cameras? What would be a good camera attachment to recommend?

OTHER ACCESSORIES:

I already have most of the other accessories usually recommended by people, being: planetarium, star charts, Astronomy 2011 book, red light etc so I should be covered for everything else. However if there are any other suggesting of stuff I should really get please feel free to let me know.


Really hope to hear your advice. This would be much much appreciated!

Cheers
Jowel
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Old 13-12-2011, 06:56 PM
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Hi Jowell and welcome to IIS!

I will try and answer what I can

1) The scope itself is fine. Haven't dealt with the company so cannot offer opinions on them. 10" is a nice size, still portable but will give great views.

2) The 2 eyepieces give different powers. The 25mm gives about 50x and the 10mm about 125x. For most DSOs the 25mm will give good views. The 10 will be harder to focus and have a narrower FOV, but on good nights will give nice views of planets. Both will have a 1.25" barrell (the part that is inserted into the focuser) so you use the adapter to use these eyepices. If you later on get an EP with a 2" barrell (usually a widefield) then you take the adapter out.

3) I have used both RA and striaght through finders and both have strengths and weaknesses. Yes the neck doesn't alway enjoy the stright through finder, but the view matches the telescope view. The RA is more comfotable and is correctly oriented but you have to mentally flip the view when you move to the main scope. Try both and see what you think. I am used to the RA finder now but it took a little getting used to after 6 months with the straight finder.

4) With collimation, do not fall into the trap of assuming a laser fixes all ills. It is the final step in the process. I use one each session in my 12" to check and do a full collimation check avery month or so (depending how much observing I do. A good guide to laser less collimation is here.
http://www.astro-baby.com/collimatio...on%20guide.htm
Farpoint and Hotech are probably the pick but I only use a fairly cheap laser myself!

5)I use a cheap moon filter and it is OK. I think it is a Meade one and it does OK. Use it more on planets to reduce glare a bit as I rarely look at the moon. On a good night the 10mm at 125x will give nice views of the moon.

6) I have a Bintel observing chair and it is the shizzle ( that means really good if you are not familiar with the term!) Use it all the time. Some DSO need you to spend 10 minutes just looking to try and catch a glimpse so being about to sit is a real boon. They are well made and a great place to sit your eyepiece box while setting up. Only thing is they are black to easy to trip over in the dark. A few bits of reflective tape may help with that.

7) I'll leave camera attachments alone as I am far from an expert in this area. Suffice to say that dobs are pretty much a visual only scope unless on the moon or brighter planets. I can recommend Mike Covingtons book here http://www.bintel.com.au/Accessories...oductview.aspx as a good intro to basic imaging.

8) Other stuff. Dew protection. A must unless you live in really dry environments. My favorite basic chart is The Cambridge Double Star atlas. Has better maps than the regular cambridge atlas, inexpensive and most interesting DSOs are listed along with '000s of double stars. Try and get hold of an old copy of Hartungs, check out Stephen O'Mearas observing guides.

If I think of anything else I'll post more!

Malcolm

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Old 16-12-2011, 10:09 AM
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Thanks mate, so just to refine my shopping list, I'm now thinking the following:

- Saxon 10 inch Dobsonian (apparantly exactly the same as the Skywatcher version) at less cost

- A barlow lense to add some extra magnification options

- Laser collimator

- Moon filter

- Observing chair

- Camera attachment

I recon that should do it for a shopping list. Is is correct to think that the Saxon version is just as good as the Skywatcher? Is Saxon OK as a brand?
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Old 16-12-2011, 04:14 PM
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generally there will be subtle differences between the two just like GSO to SW
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Old 17-12-2011, 09:51 AM
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Hi Jowell
Good initial shopping list. THe Saxon and Skywatcher are both made by the same Chinese company (Synta). All the rest is good only I probably wouldn't get the barlow at this stage. You have a 25 and 10 mm ep ATM. Barlow the 25 and it gives you 12.5mm, barlow the 10 and you get 5mm. 5mm is 250x which is really pushing a 10" scope. I can get to 215x in my 12" but almost never use go that high. 12.5mm gives you 100x which is OK but you already have 125x with the 10mm. I would consider getting a good quality 15mm EP (Televue Plossl would be my pick but may be a bit pricey!) That would give you 50x, 83x and 150x with no extra glass or bits to fiddle with in the dark.

Also try to add in some good charts! Yes I know Stellarium is good, but you cannot use a computer while at the eyepiece and printing out charts beforehand is fine, as long as you know what you are going to look at.

Malcolm

PS My nearly favourite accessory is a little lightweight folding table that I have to put all my bits and bobs. Nothing worse than trying to find things on the ground.
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Old 18-12-2011, 07:42 PM
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Jowel, I have dealt with Andrews Communications and have been for years and they are pretty good, I bought a 12" GSO from them and am pretty happy with it, at the same time I bought a laser collimator, and also got a red led torch as well.
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Old 18-12-2011, 07:44 PM
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Malcolm, to help with your bits and pieces, Jaycar sell aluminium type of brief cases that have removable foam inserts inside and you can store all your stuff nice and neat, and they are pretty cheap at $49.
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Old 18-12-2011, 08:53 PM
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Jowell
Check out http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...157#post799157
Good price and these collapsible jobs are good from what I have seen of them!

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