More on VVV CL001

[Stevec35 (Steve)]

I apologize for starting yet another thread on this but ESO have now given me a mention on their website. You have to scroll down to the notes section.

Cheers

Steve

http://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1141/

[richardo (Rich)]

Well that truly sucks Steve!
'Also noted'....
I guess they've got to account for all the funding pumped into these large scopes, facilities and the research funding for the Pros.

Can't have some backyarder taking the glory!

Steve.... use's da man.....
That cluster partly belongs to you and that's the way I see it.

So well done brew!

All the best
Rich

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

I agree with Richard, you actually discovered it first didn't you?

Mike

[Stevec35 (Steve)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

I agree with Richard, you actually discovered it first didn't you?

Mike

Originally Posted by richardo

Well that truly sucks Steve!
'Also noted'....
I guess they've got to account for all the funding pumped into these large scopes, facilities and the research funding for the Pros.

Can't have some backyarder taking the glory!

Steve.... use's da man.....
That cluster partly belongs to you and that's the way I see it.

So well done brew!

All the best
Rich

Thanks Mike and Rich. I interpret it though as saying that it partly belongs to me and I'm happy enough with that. Don't forget that the real discovery is that VVV GCL001 is a globular too. Of course the real error I made was not contacting the professional astronomer concerned immediately after I imaged it. If I had done that it might have been called Crouch 1.

[Visionoz (Bill)]

Yep Steve - at least you've been mentioned but it would at least have been more truthful of them to say that you "discovered" or "co-discovered" it - never mind you'll get a better one next time I'm sure!! Now knowing what you have to do for your next discovery!!

Good luck!

Cheers
Bill

[Stevec35 (Steve)]

Thanks Bill. Actually I very much doubt that there will ever be another one given that the only reason I picked this one up was that it was in the same field as UKS1.

I'm reasonably happy with what they said. "Noted independently" I think is pretty well synonymous with co discovery. The lead investigator Dante Minniti was quite happy with me being co discoverer. At least it's now on the web.

Cheers

Steve

[sjastro]

Congratulations Steve.

The correct terminology in the Science community is "independently discovered".

Frankly the term "noted independently" is pretty lame and understates your achievement.
You are at a disadvantage that the "other discoverer" decides on the terminology.

Regards

Steven

[Stevec35 (Steve)]

Originally Posted by sjastro

Congratulations Steve.

The correct terminology in the Science community is "independently discovered".

Frankly the term "noted independently" is pretty lame and understates your achievement.
You are at a disadvantage that the "other discoverer" decides on the terminology.

Regards

Steven

Thanks Steven. Yes I'm not completely happy with the wording but I think that's all I'm going to get out of them and it's certainly way better than nothing. Bottom line is that they got a paper out and that gives them bragging rights even though I probably saw the cluster first. The lesson in this is that I should have pursued it much more aggressively immediately after I took the image.

[ballaratdragons (Ken)]

WOW! Great pics of 'Crouch 1 Globular Cluster'

Onya Steve

[Ric]

Well done Steve

I agree with Ken, it will always be Crouch 1 to us.

Cheers

[Stevec35 (Steve)]

Originally Posted by Ric

Well done Steve

I agree with Ken, it will always be Crouch 1 to us.

Cheers

Originally Posted by ballaratdragons

WOW! Great pics of 'Crouch 1 Globular Cluster'

Onya Steve

Thanks Ken and Ric. I very much appreciate your comments.

[Paul Haese]

I have noted a common thread of injustice in recent years. When Anthony discovered the impact on Jupiter (the first one). There was quite a lot of resistance to recognize his discovery at first. This went on for several days before finally JPL made a statement. Now this, I see this as a failure to recognize the value that amateurs have in the field of imaging. Being snubbed demonstrates how far things have yet to be sorted. Funding grants being lost obviously means more than the truth.

Yes you made the mistake of not getting in contact sooner but I reckon that would not have mattered anyway. It is high time professionals respected amateur imaging and at least give co discovery as a minimum.

That said Steve, there is some concession of having your name out there, albeit with words falling short of the respect needed.

[Stevec35 (Steve)]

Originally Posted by Paul Haese

I have noted a common thread of injustice in recent years. When Anthony discovered the impact on Jupiter (the first one). There was quite a lot of resistance to recognize his discovery at first. This went on for several days before finally JPL made a statement. Now this, I see this as a failure to recognize the value that amateurs have in the field of imaging. Being snubbed demonstrates how far things have yet to be sorted. Funding grants being lost obviously means more than the truth.

Yes you made the mistake of not getting in contact sooner but I reckon that would not have mattered anyway. It is high time professionals respected amateur imaging and at least give co discovery as a minimum.

That said Steve, there is some concession of having your name out there, albeit with words falling short of the respect needed.

Thanks for those words Paul. Dr Minniti did offer me co discovery on the first email I got from him but they all seemed to retreat from that later. It was only through my request that they put something on the web site. I don't think there would have been anything there otherwise.

[Astroman (Andrew Wall)]

Congrats Steve, on the co-discovery. Doesn't matter if your name isn't in neon lights around the Astronomical world does it, all that fame and fortune, you can do without... Seriously, its a good discovery and will be remembered for almost all of eternity. You and we know you made a contribution to the science, you never know what might happen as a result of it.

Well done...

[Stevec35 (Steve)]

Originally Posted by Astroman

Congrats Steve, on the co-discovery. Doesn't matter if your name isn't in neon lights around the Astronomical world does it, all that fame and fortune, you can do without... Seriously, its a good discovery and will be remembered for almost all of eternity. You and we know you made a contribution to the science, you never know what might happen as a result of it.

Well done...

Thanks Andrew. I very much appreciate your comments.

[multiweb (Marc)]

Good on you Steve. Everybody here know what they're talking about and we all saw your first post so all the big obs politics and who gets funding don't matter a bit. It started here and it ends here. You got the first shot of it on record and that's all that matters. And it matters to us all. All the rest is just wind.

[Stevec35 (Steve)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

Good on you Steve. Everybody here know what they're talking about and we all saw your first post so all the big obs politics and who gets funding don't matter a bit. It started here and it ends here. You got the first shot of it on record and that's all that matters. And it matters to us all. All the rest is just wind.

Thanks Marc. I'm very appreciative of the support from people on this forum.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Yeh I'm going to second that Marc, lets think about this for a bit, Steve actually imaged a globular cluster that has never been noticed before, in all the years the skies have been photographed and imaged even in surveys by Palomar, AAO, ESO etc, never been noticed, then some bloke in sunny Canberra Australia decides to wack an IR filter on his camera and point it at another glob in the field and low and behold, pow there's another of the blighters, a never before seen globular - pretty cool

Mike

[multiweb (Marc)]

On a small note all the people who wrongly grabbed and claimed this discovery will look like bloody idiots soon or later and Steve won't even have to say a word as it's all chronologically documented in these forums and pages will be indexed for a while. Time is in his favour.

[Stevec35 (Steve)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

On a small note all the people who wrongly grabbed and claimed this discovery will look like bloody idiots soon or later and Steve won't even have to say a word as it's all chronologically documented in these forums and pages will be indexed for a while. Time is in his favour.

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Yeh I'm going to second that Marc, lets think about this for a bit, Steve actually imaged a globular cluster that has never been noticed before, in all the years the skies have been photographed and imaged even in surveys by Palomar, AAO, ESO etc, never been noticed, then some bloke in sunny Canberra Australia decides to wack an IR filter on his camera and point it at another glob in the field and low and behold, pow there's another of the blighters, a never before seen globular - pretty cool

Mike

Thanks again Marc and Mike but I think you are demonizing the professionals a bit too much Marc. Don't forget that they have a completely different mindset. Their attitude would be that they published a paper and I didn't - end of story. Also, as I keep saying, I just saw something that looked like a globular which could well have just been an asterism. They proved it was a globular. It might have been different had I contacted the VVV team immediately after I took the image but stupidly I didn't. It's perhaps a little disappointing that they didn't mention co discovery on the website after promising it in an email but I'm satisfied enough with events all things considered.

Perhaps it's time to put this one to bed