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Old 09-11-2011, 12:27 AM
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Few Question and Observations

Pretty late right now. But I've had a few days observing so far
and I saw some pretty amazing and interesting things!

I'm not sure how long I can edit posts for, but I will put diagrams/names of what I was looking at tomorrow, as I will have to look it up in Stellarium and look at my notes from 2 nights ago.

But tonight I decided to look at the Orion Nebula, it's a really clear night and was great viewing. Now I don't know if this is possible, but I swear I saw a comet of some description fly by it. It was moving quite slowly. But I'm not sure if the movement would even be visible from that far away?
Although it most likely would have been quite a lot closer than the Orion Nebula, I don't think it was too close, as it was still almost in focus. I carefully followed it up as well, so I don't think it was just my eyes/brain fooling me. I lost it after about 5-7 seconds or so.

This also happened the other night when I was looking at the star which I will have to look up on Stellarium. But it moved a lot faster, like the ones you just see with your naked eyes, and had a trail and everything.

Also, on the Orion Nebula, I think I can see a sort of oblong patch of dark at the top? (or bottom, but top looking through the scope hehe) Is this just a darker patch, or is it bare for some reason? Very interesting.

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Tom
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Old 09-11-2011, 07:44 AM
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Satellite
Hundreds of them up there now.
http://www.heavens-above.com/
Keep track of them
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Old 09-11-2011, 10:47 AM
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Yep, satellite. I once saw one go across the face of the moon while I was doing a sketch of it. I was able to make out its body and solar panels and various antennae. Very fast apparition, and it really surprised me, but WOW!

With that oblong patch you mention in M42, did it resemble the patch seen in this sketch?

If so, then it is a feature in M42 that is call the "Fish Mouth". It is actually a 'dark pillar', a concentration of gas and dust that surrounds protostars - stars that are forming and are soon to kick off their nuclear fire. The Fish Mouth juts up infront of the brightest section of M42, so we see it silhouetted against the bright background. Those really bright stars right next to the fish mouth that form the "Trapesium" is the powerhouse of energy that is causing the nebula to glow. It is the solar wind those stars are emitting that is pushing the surrounding gas and dust away from those protostars, and the resulting pillar shape is the tell-tale sign of their existance as it is their gravity that is keeping the cocoon that envolopes them from being stripped away by that stellar wind.

The Fish Mouth is probably the easiest dark pillar to see. Others can be seen relatively easily in the Eta Carina nebula - an 8" scope will show upto four, thin, skeleton like fingers jutting up into the brightest part of the nebula.

The Eagle Nebula, also called the Pillars of Creation, is also a set of dark pillars, but these require a larger scope, probably 10" and over to see. I managed to see the Eagle in my 17.5" earlier this year for the first time. My sketch below is the view of it.

Another form of dark pillars is called 'Bok globuals', these are the same thing but without the long column, so they appear as small dark blobs. Some of these are visible in larger scopes, but as they are much smaller than the pillars, they are harder to see.
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Old 09-11-2011, 10:25 PM
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gmbfilter - How do I see if the scope would have been going across the M42 at that time?

mental4astro - That was really great info, just what I was looking for!
Yes the oblong shape did look very close to your sketch. And hopefully I will be able to observe those two other nebulas you mentioned another night
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Old 10-11-2011, 07:56 AM
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gmbfilter - How do I see if the scope would have been going across the M42 at that time?

mental4astro - That was really great info, just what I was looking for!
Yes the oblong shape did look very close to your sketch. And hopefully I will be able to observe those two other nebulas you mentioned another night
There are a lot of bits of space junk
It's not uncommon to see some in the eyepiece

I find mental's sketches are great way to have a human view of whats there
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:32 AM
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See satellites pretty regularly pass through the FOV when I'm out. Picked up three one night by chance and a meteor. It's the big lit up aircraft that give you a fright !!
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